Quote: maria martynchik

I meant she will be put down if we give her up! I didn't say I will do it, but what happens to animals that cannot be adopted? They put them down. No, I never said she deserves to be killed. that's insanity, she is a dog for a strong person, but where am I gong to get this person:-). MMmmm, "Adolescent Akita that like to bite.." how many people will call us....SPCA will not take her. Only ACC. And they KILL.

I talked to a lady who works with TikiHut Akita rescue. They do not want her. This is the only Akita rescue here in Bay Area 9branches of into Golden Gate Akitas).

Please don't give up on Akita rescue. Most rescue organizations can and do make arrangements to have a dog transported by volunteers if the owner is unable to bring the dog to them. So please don't limit yourself to only contacting rescues in your immediate area.

Here is a well-known no-kill rescue organization:

http://www.bestfriends.org/aboutus/staffdepartments/index.cfm

Yes, I'm sure Cesar Millan and Best Friends are bombarded with requests on a daily basis, but perhaps a breed rescue organization, if they are not willing to take her themselves, could help you get a foot in the door, so to speak, at some kind of all-breed no-kill facility.

And I just want to add that Aaron has made you an amazingly unselfish offer. That could easily be the answer for both you and the dog.

OK Aaron. Could you please stop snapping at me, please? It is NOT cool. She was not redirecting anything. There was NO prey.


She has all the time in the world. Nobody throws her out, or kills her, or beats her. Please quit talking to us like this, it's NOT cool. You are high and mighty, OK. Then why you bother? I never said I rehabilitated anyone etc. etc. I never was proud of anything, what the heck, who told you that? What EGO????I feel like sh•t about this, and yes I am upset that I can't do it right, but I do know dogs body language, that's what I said. I am NOT a trainer and never will be.

I was bitten by a dog too. I was 15, had my own dog. The dog that bit me was my friend's dog Timka and he was dominant aggressive -the only really aggressive dog I have known, as well. And also very confused (intact male, 9 year old medium size mutt), never allowed to breed, he was going bonkers, starting fights, attacking his owners. I was so trusting of dogs I pet him when i saw him outside the store waiting for my friend. He latched onto my hand with a very loud growl and even as I tried to free myself bit me twice more. I had holes in my left hand, it was punctured through, a lot of blood. Doctors only bandaged it and it healed very slowly. I know, I have been dog bit, as was my husband, he has huge scars from the stitches on his hand and his chest. He was bit by his friend's large senile old labrador that he was hand-feeding and who took the food and calmly continued to eat his hand, and by a little dachshund that responded badly to him leaving the house (some form of separation anxiety slash dominance prob. as well). So what? We know, it happens.

Do people always get rude here? Sorry, it is NOT how you would probably talk to me in person, right?

Do you really want to take her? And what, tell everybody here and everywhere that we are a-holes, bad owners, horrible people and you are righteous and "saved her life"? Because it's not gonna work like this.

How about ONE advice on how to behave when she does her biting/fighting/screaming or growling and snapping routine? None? We have been continuing with groundwork. She is very well-walked. Is jogging good at this age (almost 13 months)? Can my husband jog with her or something? What other job can she do besides the backpack carrying? Can she pull carts? Does anyone know where we can find her maybe a place to swim? Anything like this, so she is mentally stimulated? If we have issues like this right now, do we keep her in isolation again for a week, (she was out of it long ago, and was allowed to be in the house on a leash with me), or do you suggest to train her a little again? Should she be out of the crate i the house now or not?

If we keep her for a week in isolation, do we walk her a lot, or just give her tons of potty breaks? Do I work her or do both of us? Can my husband interact with her? If she gets huffy with me in front of him, do I deal with her or do both of us deal, or can he step in? Muzzled walks or risk my fingers and not to muzzle? She is still here, so don't we have to deal with her the best we can???? I was until now, and still do.

Anyone? Any real, constructive advice on HOW to manage? Instead of judging, getting angry at me, etc., etc.?

I won't be surprised to hear that Aaron is supported very generously if he is able to pull this off. Falcon is in.

..and me...that is extraordinary of you Aaron -it truly is.
But before we go there....just curious:
Maria, TikkiHut Rescue told me they were waiting to hear from you yesterday afternoon (I had reached out to see if they would even be interested and got an almost immediate response) -what did the lady on the phone tell you?

Maria, from what I have read on this site, (I'm really quite new) They aren't wishy-washy about their advice. It is straight to the point and honest (to some perhaps to a fault) But I enjoy the constructive critisism. I have a feeling that if one of the members here offered to help with the dog personally, that they would do so in a proffessional manner. I don't see them trying to trod on you by taking the dog, just simply help her to get the best home she can. At the same time helping to releive the strees this situation has caused in your family. I would give it a shot.

"She is treacherous and cannot be trusted, at least for the time being"


If you tell ANY responsible rescue this, you just signed her death slip. (This is someone coming from running a no-kill animal rescue for 3 years)

Take her to a rescue. Show up. Explain the situation, and let THEM evaluate her.


Or take Aaron up on his generous offer. As much as you may dislike him for being very blunt with you, he is a good trainer, and has contact with trainers who specialize in dominant/aggressive dogs. He's serious.

Will you let him take the dog, if a suitable foster home can be found?

 Quote: Maria Martynchik

we are going to start calling the shelters, etc. today's walk and my general observations confirm that this dog is unsafe to be in the family. Period. yes, I am NOT fit to handle her, and I will not advise most people to try. She is treacherous and cannot be trusted, at least for the time being. MY bad was that I adopted her. Well, I guess we saved her from the shelter for three and a half months, fed her up, vetted her, gave her a warm place to sleep, etc., etc. She even knows some new commands now. Not bad, in my opinion, better than sitting in a cage at the pound, or being euthanized. Hopefully we will find her a decent shelter program or an owner or a rescue organization hat will take her in. I have by this time a strong desire to bring her back to her previous owner and force her to take her poor dog back, and deal with her herself. She can be liable for NOT telling us in the beginning that her animal was aggressiv

This was from page 16, which is why I made my post about encouraging you to keep trying with rescue organizations. Now, on page 18, you are asking for training advice again. I'm hopelessly confused. I knew I should have stayed out of it.

Oh Maria..... Look, no one is trying to get angry with you, although you certainly are taking constructive criticism to a whole new level.

This is about getting Yuma the help she needs. No one really wants to argue with you, but get the dog some much needed help.

Aaron has generously offered to take the dog and work with her because he has a lot of experience, he knows what he's talking about. Now others are coming forward to help pay for the dog to be shipped etc.

Try to put aside your hurt feelings and stop questioning very sage advice.
Are you serious about giving Yuma a chance with some expert trainers? After all wouldn't it make you happy to know that someone is willing to help you out and give Yuma a chance?
Please stop waffling and except that she needs to be in a new home.

What would I do when she threw herself on the ground next to me spazzing out?

I'd sit down on the ground next to her and stare at something in the distance until she stopped. I'd probably bring a book to read.

My offer of taking her has nothing to do with wanting to prove anyone wrong. There's a possibility that *I* could be proven wrong. She could get here and turn out to be every bit the dominant dog that you say she is.

She could get up here and end up putting me in the hospital.
Note that I'm not willing to foster her myself, with a seven year old child in the house. If I can find someone who has no kids, no other dogs, who can foster her, I will drive out every day and work with her until she's ready for a forever home, however long that takes.

It's not about me.
It's about the dog.

I didn't intend to insinuate that you're going to put her to sleep. I asked how long she still had there- you've talked about trying to take her to other rescue orgs. I was curious if you could wait two weeks to see if I could arrange for her to come up here, before you sent her to another organization.

THEY DO???
I will call, we have to walk again:-) and I hear she is playing with food in her crate instead of eating so time to go.

It was the lady who works with them is on the Akita Forum here, sorry not here, on the Akita Forum in general and she said "We don't take proven biters, period". I will call the facility, after my hubby comes home, and after the walk of course.

I will never kill her. She is a healthy young animal. Where did people get this idea? I said that I am afraid to send her to the shelter. Isn't it a known fact what happens to dogs that cannot get adopted in the shelter? DEAD. Right? Don;t no-kill shelters send un-adoptable dogs to kill shelters? That's what everyone told me.

She was not x-rayed for dysplasia. We have been to the doctor twice in the last three months. She was all felt up:-) and blood tested, and parasite tested, and deemed a very, very healthy dog. Do you think it's necessary? She does not limp, or act like she is in any sort of pain. I was thinking of testing her for hypothyroidism just in case.