 Re: How to know when a dog knows a command
[Re: ian bunbury ]
#384077 - 10/10/2013 04:04 PM |
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well i would have liked to have seen a video from the first session . . .
but that brings up the point ; if the session isn't building the relationship , there is very little value in it from a dog training perspective .
i'm lucky in that i can walk out my back door into the wilderness , but even when i go out for a three hour 12 km walk , there will be at least half a dozen opportunities to directly engage the dog : jump / sit on that stump , walk along the elevated log , crawl under that fence , leap over the park bench , go through the culvert , speak to me on that rock . . . every one presents the possibility of engagement by creating rewardable moments only limited by your imagination and the dogs' motivation level .
you know, now with all these comments, i'm interested to see what you guys think of the first session.
in my opinion he's very interested but i might be very wrong.
also, i will record some stuff at home (no playing though, no space there, just short sessions of commands), VERY interested to see what you say.
the flirt and tug outside will take a while to record, i have to have my friend do it for me and there's no guarantee she will be there as soon as i come
we have another park that's even huger lol than this one, it's like a forest, trails, i don't know how many miles.
but it's not my thing, i'm a city person to the core, i'm scared of everything that crawls, flies.
but i see your point, i can do everything you're doing any place else.
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Re: How to know when a dog knows a command
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#384078 - 10/10/2013 04:12 PM |
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When the dog pulls (regardless of the collar he's wearing) turn and walk the other direction.
You may not get very far, but at least you'll be leading rather than following.
i did that for a while, i have no problem it taking 10 mins to walk a block.
here're the problems i was having. it's very hard (for me, at least) to catch the exact moment he starts to pull. like how tight does the leash have to be for it to be considered a pull?
so i think i'm confusing him.
every time we make a uturn he looks up at me, i swear he's asking me why we just did that.
i didn't do it consistently, because even after 20 uturns he'd pull as soon as we turn towards home.
for example, we are walking home, he starts to pull. i make a uturn, he stops pulling, i turn back - he pulls and this was repeated after 20-30 turns.
i was getting dizzy, no exaggeration.
so i felt like he wasn't getting it and stopped. then another day i try again....
i guess what i'm saying is that i don't believe this will work lol
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Re: How to know when a dog knows a command
[Re: Duane Hull ]
#384079 - 10/10/2013 04:16 PM |
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Not pulling can't be fixed overnight. It takes many reps of doing it the right way before it becomes conditioned. It has to be taught in a calm environment where he can get it right enough to know what is expected, THEN you take the show on the road.
Leash pressure works, but it takes repetitons to learn. Three or four lessons are just scratching the surface. It doesn't mean that, when the dog understands leash pressure, he won't react if he sees a trigger. Leash pressure is for guiding the dog. Desensitizing is what teaches him not to react.
You actually have to do all of these things for a while before you start to see them work. Then one day, you look back on it and you realize how far you've come.
do you know how long? i'm not being impatient, i just want to have a measure. like if after a month he's pulling then i'm doing something wrong.
i'd like to have the same thing for commands as well.
i do get discouraged way too soon, i don't know how long things should take and when i don't see results i assume i'm not doing it right and get online.
or drop the training all together and look for a different technique
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Re: How to know when a dog knows a command
[Re: Natalie Rynda ]
#384080 - 10/10/2013 04:17 PM |
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I do not care if he looks at me funny. I do not care if I turned too soon. 
When pulling is never (NEVER) rewarded by the dog getting to go where he wants, it will extinguish.
Folks are saying that it's not instant, because it's not. And it has to be 100% consistent.
They are right, Natalie. It didn't work for you because you stopped. Now you have to build up a boatload more consistency. You can do that!
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Re: How to know when a dog knows a command
[Re: ian bunbury ]
#384081 - 10/10/2013 04:17 PM |
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you are working on all those things all the time , in different ways and at different levels . . . but with engagement all the other things can start to fall into place .
if he is not engaged with you , those other things are going to be that much more difficult to deal with .
got you, i will setup different sessions for different things.
he's very engaged at home))))) so why can't i get him to leave the cats alone?
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Re: How to know when a dog knows a command
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#384082 - 10/10/2013 04:19 PM |
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I do not care if he looks at me funny. I do not care if I turned too soon.
When pulling is never (NEVER) rewarded by the dog getting to go where he wants, it will extinguish.
Folks are saying that it's not instant, because it's not. And it has to be 100% consistent.
They are right, Natalie. It didn't work for you because you stopped. Now you have to build up a boatload more consistency. You can do that!
they're definitely right. i hope you guys understand that when i reply i'm not arguing, i'm just telling you what i thought.
anyone here knows more than i do.
so as long as i NEVER let him pull he will pick up on it? even if i don't turn at the precise moment he pulls?
i don't care how he looks at me (though it's adorable)))), i'm saying that to show that i thought he didn't understand what i was trying to teach him
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Re: How to know when a dog knows a command
[Re: Natalie Rynda ]
#384083 - 10/10/2013 04:23 PM |
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"do you know how long? i'm not being impatient, i just want to have a measure. like if after a month he's pulling then i'm doing something wrong."
Weeks. Several weeks. And there will still be lapses. And you can post a link to a video clip BEFORE you decide unilaterally that it's not working.
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Re: How to know when a dog knows a command
[Re: Natalie Rynda ]
#384084 - 10/10/2013 04:21 PM |
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be careful that " anyplace else " is free of distractions . . . that's why i like the wilderness / forest environment .
not saying you have to go live in the bush , but dogs like romping in the woods better than they do being continually restrained in the urban setting .
if you are committed to doing what is best for the dog , sometimes you have to go outside your comfort zone . . .
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Re: How to know when a dog knows a command
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#384085 - 10/10/2013 04:31 PM |
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"do you know how long? i'm not being impatient, i just want to have a measure. like if after a month he's pulling then i'm doing something wrong."
Weeks. Several weeks. And there will still be lapses. And you can post a link to a video clip BEFORE you decide unilaterally that it's not working.
thank you, i will. i'm going to stick to
teach to not pull
come
sit
down
leave it
and hopefully the cats.
any time i feel like i'm stuck i will post a video.
thank you so much everyone, i got lots of useful things (even if some are for the future) out of this long thread.
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Re: How to know when a dog knows a command
[Re: Natalie Rynda ]
#384090 - 10/10/2013 06:09 PM |
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When you turned and walked the other way and he LOOKED at you? That was what you wanted, whether you knew it or not. Click and treat that.
Looking at you is the opposite of dragging you down the street.
None of these behaviors happens instantly and perfectly. You shape them. Reward him and yourself for tiny successes, instead of frustrating both of you by expecting too much.
If you KNOW he can't walk with a loose lead, then stop punishing him and yourself for that yet-to-happen breakthrough. Focus on what he does know. Set him up to succeed. He'll learn more, and enjoy spending time with you if you're his cheerleader, not a nag.
You don't need a timetable or a perfect understanding. You're not writing code for a robot. Just build a relationship with this sentient living thing standing in front of you.
P.S. He can't bother the cat if he's on a leash tied to your waist.
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