jeff oehlsen wrote 01/29/2006 05:16 AM Re: What kind of training is this? [Re: Barbara Erdman ] #96330 - 01/29/2006 05:16 AM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	The only time I ever had anyone trying to do that, I was heavily armed and wearing a tree suit. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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Valerie Tietz-Kelly wrote 01/29/2006 05:37 AM Re: What kind of training is this? [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #96331 - 01/29/2006 05:37 AM
Valerie Tietz-Kelly Webboard User Reg: 07-26-2005 Posts: 566 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Andy - Don't get me wrong, I think Pits are extremely intelligent, and if only folks such as the ones on this forum who really know dogs and have a lot of experience with training, protection sports and such saw the videos...no problem, but if my neighbor sees it, you will get ..see they are dangerous animals, and totally ignore that both of the dogs in the videos were velcro'd to Mr. Fraise......it is sad, on the other hand they could say the same about any dog, and it still would not be as damaging as it is to the Pit Bulls at this particular point in time. These dogs are very cool, as jeff says. I agree with jeff as well, if any dog had me anywhere on the body, the only thing I would be thinking is....."mama".... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Val
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Andy Andrews wrote 01/29/2006 02:27 PM Re: What kind of training is this? [Re: Valerie Tietz-Kelly ] #96332 - 01/29/2006 02:27 PM
Andy Andrews Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2005 Posts: 99 Loc: Offline	Valerie, I know what you mean, sometimes it feels like a no win situation. The very videos which should be used to highlight the hard work and dedication required to produce stable, controllable dogs are often the same videos used by advocates of BSL to highlight their *natural* viscious tendencies and further prove the point that this breed has no legimate use in society. I don't understand the variety of interpretation. Andy.
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Will Rambeau wrote 01/29/2006 02:37 PM Re: What kind of training is this? [Re: Andy Andrews ] #96333 - 01/29/2006 02:37 PM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	Andy, Any video of bite work can be used by the anti-BSL folks, that's just common sense. The number of people participating in dog sports that have a component of bite work are tiny - but the video's of bite work seem to over-represent the bull breeds, and that does not help their case with the Media and the uninformed public. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
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Ryan Burley wrote 01/29/2006 04:17 PM Re: What kind of training is this? [Re: Valerie Tietz-Kelly ] #96334 - 01/29/2006 04:17 PM
Ryan Burley Webboard User Reg: 09-19-2005 Posts: 111 Loc: Offline	Quote: Also why does the dog bite the legs, and not the arm? I've been in enough situations where I felt threatened by a dog that I've run through the various scenarios in my mind enough times. Here's my take on it… A dog biting you on the leg is much harder to deal with. The obvious result in most cases would be that you get knocked to the ground which gives the dog a huge advantage. Biting arms like in Schutzhund is just not a good strategy for a dog to win a fight with a man. First of all, the arm can be used to bait the dog into over-committing to bite one arm while being attacked with the other arm. Second of all, a man on his feet is much more mobile and a moving target is much harder to hit. Once again... I'm no expert on the subject so I'm just guessing. Maybe someone with more experience with ASR, Ring Sports or PPD training can offer more input.
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 01/29/2006 05:30 PM Re: What kind of training is this? [Re: Ryan Burley ] #96335 - 01/29/2006 05:30 PM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	The first bite I took from a good dog sent on me at 30ft made me fall over and put a hole in my pants.... when you get into bitework, it's easy to forget the type of impact these dogs have on someone unprepared without protective clothing. I would rather my dog switch arms when someone comes down to hit him, than to hold onto the bite "no matter what"... and if the guy goes to kick the dog, I want the dog to go for a leg bite... I've seen it done, but haven't gotten to the stage where I've been able to teach it... we're gonna start my dog on leg bites next month. I think if a dog runs at you full forth from 30ft away and hits your legs, it's gonna knock you on your face even worse than flying at your arm. Just my take on it...
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jeff oehlsen wrote 01/29/2006 05:37 PM Re: What kind of training is this? [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #96336 - 01/29/2006 05:37 PM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	I love the speculation....I would, they would... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Here is how it goes. Dog grabs bodypart(any) and shakes, response? You go down and scream like child. I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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Andy Andrews wrote 01/29/2006 05:47 PM Re: What kind of training is this? [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #96337 - 01/29/2006 05:47 PM
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jeff oehlsen wrote 01/29/2006 05:54 PM Re: What kind of training is this? [Re: Andy Andrews ] #96338 - 01/29/2006 05:54 PM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	Once again showing the superiority of the Ring dogs. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Did I put "vast" in there? I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 01/29/2006 06:04 PM Re: What kind of training is this? [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #96339 - 01/29/2006 06:04 PM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Quote: I love the speculation....I would, they would... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Here is how it goes. Dog grabs bodypart(any) and shakes, response? You go down and scream like child. Pretty much... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> But what about those rare cases of, what is it, meth heads? That don't feel the pain when a dog is sent on them? Some type of drug addict anyway... would hate to see what they look like after a dog is sent on them... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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