One thing worth mentioning in defense of the writer, they don't know or understand police procedures in the city. Crimes are moreoften than not not reported in the first place, and then when they are, the people in charge of precints want to downplay the charges because having a safer area (on paper) means promotions. So, if someone attempted to murder someone, the Sargeant or whoever is in charge might just list that as an assault instead to make his region look better than it really is, so that he's more likely to be promoted next. Don't know if that's how it works in other cities and states, but I do know that is common practice in the city as well as the island. So, the media person is disillusioned via the rigged stats. What I can say is that NY is a shocker for people who haven't experienced it. Crime IS down in the city, but, there is no way you feel safer here than Port St. Lucie. JMO. I love it anyway <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Well, when they say things like the people that moved out of New York not being as safe as people that stayed in New York - that statement was meant as a pro-New York propaganda comment yet no where did they actually compare the crime rate between New York and the other area ( Port Lucie or someplace for retirement...), they only mentioned that the crime rate in NYC was dropping ( well...don't ya think it's dropping in the other area, also? )

That's a bogus agreement that typical for that rag, and there are several other spins that have no basis in fact in that piece.

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actually, right at the beginning of the piece he said that the per capita crime rate in new york is the same as in port lucie and a number of other small towns people generally think of as safe, which he named.

you are right that he then went on to say people could move to port lucie and *might* find themselves facing more crime than in new york, and that seemed like a wierd statement to make, since he just told us the crime rate is the same. my impression is that he was trying to use this as a for instance to illustrate how people's prejudices about crime in new york are not in sync with reality.

about his larger point, i fully agree. new york is a very safe city, by and large. it hasn't been as safe as it is today since the 1950s, when people often slept out in central park to escape the heat in the summer.

i did a lot of research on this topic for a paper i wrote on women's safety. statistically speaking, to become a crime victim in central park in the mid-90s (when i did the research, and crime was worse then than today), you would have to visit there all day, every day, for 115 years. that's how rare it is.

it's just that when you have lots of people all together, incidents in absolute numbers go up. but per capita, the number of crimes per person, is very low there. i feel quite safe there today, and i often did not in the 80s. so the subjective impression i and others have fits the statistics.

how much time have you spent in new york lately, will? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

alice, nothing on this planet could lead me to go to that place, ever. I don't like the city, I don't like their attitudes and politics, and I'd much rather spend my money in other places where the people were less rude and self-centered.

Just my opinion, I know there are probably great folks from NYC, I just never seem to have encountered them in all my years.
No insult meant towards the NYC folks on the board.

Well, rudeness is present, but it's better than the 'sweet as sugar' to your face and the minute you turn your back the knife goes in. I've lived down south as well as spent a great deal of time down there, and that's what I saw first hand. I couldn't wait to get back to the 'rude' straight forwardness of the North <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I don't ever vacation in the south anymore, aside from obligatory family visits. You always know where you stand with a NY'er <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> There are jerks here as there are down south. It's a matter of perception I guess.

Actually, let me back-peddle for a second. It's less about the people and more about the city it's self. I for one try very hard not to visit a location that doesn't allow CCW. If an area can't get it's act together well enough to allow it's lawful citizens the Right of self-defense, I don't need to visit there.

At least you had the nerve to post what you REALLY felt <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Yes, we have poor gun laws in some regards, better than other states in others. If you think no concealed is bad, in the city they have to have a permit to have a rifle <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> There are many benefits to the south that are more than the benefits here, but on the other hand their are some undeniable benefits here. Listing them would carry this way off topic more than it already is. My comment to the article was actually regarding the pitbull topic of it and then it kind of wandered, lol. No hard feelings <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Well, rudeness is present, but it's better than the 'sweet as sugar' to your face and the minute you turn your back the knife goes in. I've lived down south as well as spent a great deal of time down there, and that's what I saw first hand. I couldn't wait to get back to the 'rude' straight forwardness of the North <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I don't ever vacation in the south anymore, aside from obligatory family visits. You always know where you stand with a NY'er <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> There are jerks here as there are down south. It's a matter of perception I guess.

could have written that myself. and i married into a southern family, so i should know. new yorkers are great people. they may be a little gruff on the outside, but they have a great sense of humor, are very generous to people in need, and you always know where you stand with them. there is no b.s. hey, kinda like you, will! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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hey, kinda like you, will! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

He's like a NY'er isn't he Alice? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Will, that is meant as a compliment even if you are a Yankee hater <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> I actually found the quotes of your words in that newspaper to be pretty funny. I even agree with much of what you said <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> If those quotes in there didn't scream NY'er, I don't know what does <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Alice, the city has been cleaned up a lot since you've been here. I think you would be very pleased with it. There are police all over the place now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> It's not perfect but it's better than it was in the 80's.

yeah, rudeness is present....maybe you just haven't been to the right part of the south....believe me, in my "neck of the woods" there isn't alot of sugar coating. I've seen back-stabbing everywhere I have ever been....depends on who your "friends" are.....that's why dogs are the best!!!

Will R., you've lived many different places and married a southern girl,do you find that sugar-coated back-stabbing prevails only in the south? Maybe I need to be enlightened... would hate to think I was a narrow-minded redneck!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Best regards,
Debbie