Will Rambeau wrote 03/14/2006 11:15 AM Re: 'Pitbull' attack in Toledo [Re: Barbara Erdman ] #100702 - 03/14/2006 11:15 AM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	You can *never* trust the media not to manipulate a story, even if they have the correct information. The people that decide what breed is involved will be a combination of the owners ( who lie more often than you'd believe ) the police that were involved, and finally, Animal Control. Those type of owners will *never* be responsible - if you add a muzzle requirement, they'll just ignore that also. A small percentage of ignorant owners are going to cause BSL to happen, and ultimately, there's no stopping it, because the public and politicians aren't much smarter than those ignorant owners. Sad but true. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
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Ruth Counter wrote 03/14/2006 11:20 AM Re: 'Pitbull' attack in Toledo [Re: Barbara Erdman ] #100703 - 03/14/2006 11:20 AM
Ruth Counter Webboard User Reg: 11-16-2005 Posts: 185 Loc: Utah, U.S. Offline	It would solve lots of problems if communities enforced the dog laws they have now. A required CGC test to license a dog would be a plus, mostly in that the owner might learn something. BIG fines for problem owners, people who rent to problem owners and unlicensed dogs could create funding for enforcement.
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Will Rambeau wrote 03/14/2006 11:30 AM Re: 'Pitbull' attack in Toledo [Re: Ruth Counter ] #100704 - 03/14/2006 11:30 AM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	A CGC test would be a disaster, that would eliminate a large number of good working dogs in this country. Sorry if I distrust any test that the AKC came up with, their idea of what a dog is sure doesn't match mine. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
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Pamela Diller wrote 03/14/2006 11:48 AM Re: 'Pitbull' attack in Toledo [Re: Will Rambeau ] #100705 - 03/14/2006 11:48 AM
Pamela Diller Webboard User Reg: 01-17-2004 Posts: 158 Loc: Offline	I might be making an unfounded assumption but I think the owner was probably a homeless person. I think that because it said all of the victims were indigent and because the owner had a piece of rope instead of a leash. Also most people don't choose to stroll thru a gathering of homeless people so I think the owner was actually part of the group. If in fact the owner was homeless, training their dog was probably not high on the list of priorities. Nor is it likely that a law requiring registration, types of restraint, or behavior or obedience testing would have helped. Most homeless people seemed to be pretty removed from the everyday laws that most people follow.
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Dennis Jones wrote 03/14/2006 11:56 AM Re: 'Pitbull' attack in Toledo [Re: Pamela Diller ] #100706 - 03/14/2006 11:56 AM
Dennis Jones Webboard User Reg: 06-13-2004 Posts: 3389 Loc: Richmond Va Offline	I wouldn't assume the owner was a bum, yes I said bum, I've seen people step out of a 30k car with a cheap ass clothes line for a lead on thier pit. of course it broke and the worthless cur went after my pup. I gave them a spare a told them where the can go get thier darling little monster trained <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
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Michele Deadwyler wrote 03/14/2006 02:30 PM Re: 'Pitbull' attack in Toledo [Re: Barbara Erdman ] #100707 - 03/14/2006 02:30 PM
Michele Deadwyler Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2006 Posts: 53 Loc: Offline	Quote:  Quote: Who decides which (mixed) dogs are which breeds? In this attack the Presa x American Bulldog is being called a Pitbull despite knowing the exact cross... http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060310/NEWS03/603100448/-1/NEWS  Quote: As the debate about pit-bull laws continues to gather heat in the community in the wake of an Ohio 6th District Court of Appeals decision last week, Nicole said she wanted to share her story. There's no easy solution to this, but these attacks need to stop. BSL isn't the answer, owner responsibility is. On one hand I think they should just throw negligent owners in jail for 10 years, but then there are all different variables to some attacks that would make that too harsh a sentence to pass into law. When those Presa's mauled the woman in California you heard from all the neighbors how they regretted not reporting the dogs, but the fact of the matter is, reporting the dogs wouldn't have done a thing. Animal control needs to enforce their laws a lot better. We have a rott. x apbt living across the street that attacks people when it gets out. 3 attacks later and over a dozen reports later, it was declared dangerous, ordered to wear a muzzle, and kept in a Dept. of Agriculture approved pen. Guess what? The owners don't follow the ruling. It's only a matter of time before the dog attacks again. The owners should not of got the dog back to begin with. That is negligience on the Animal Control side along with the owners. That dog should of been put down after the first attack. I agree we need to make owners actually take some responsibilty for their dogs, heavier fines, jail time, not just a slap on the wrist. People just do not care anymore, because there is no reinforcement for the crime. There are alot of ACO'S out there that do there job and care, but there are alot who don't. " Evil flourishes when good men do nothing"
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Michele Deadwyler wrote 03/14/2006 02:35 PM Re: 'Pitbull' attack in Toledo [Re: Dennis Jones ] #100708 - 03/14/2006 02:35 PM
Michele Deadwyler Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2006 Posts: 53 Loc: Offline	Quote: I wouldn't assume the owner was a bum, yes I said bum, I've seen people step out of a 30k car with a cheap ass clothes line for a lead on thier pit. of course it broke and the worthless cur went after my pup. I gave them a spare a told them where the can go get thier darling little monster trained <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> At least you gave him a spare, you were nice when you did not have to be. Me, I probably would not of been so nice. " Evil flourishes when good men do nothing"
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Dennis Jones wrote 03/14/2006 03:22 PM Re: Pit bull bites 5 at Monroe Park [Re: Dennis Jones ] #100709 - 03/14/2006 03:22 PM
Dennis Jones Webboard User Reg: 06-13-2004 Posts: 3389 Loc: Richmond Va Offline	Well our local talk show host at WRVA, the big news station for Virginia, is on a rant, shouting down dog owners who call in. Had to turn him off, got tired of listening to him pontificate and scream for BSL. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Its coming <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
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Becky Shilling wrote 03/14/2006 08:04 PM Re: Pit bull bites 5 at Monroe Park [Re: Dennis Jones ] #100710 - 03/14/2006 08:04 PM
Becky Shilling Webboard User Reg: 12-01-2005 Posts: 1009 Loc: OKC, Oklahoma Offline	I wish my current city would take the time and spend the $$$$ (which is the bottom line) to enforce the laws we already have. In the town where I grew up and where my Mother still lives, they are serious about enforcing dog law. As a result, you almost NEVER see a stray there. First offense: a big fine, 2nd: probation and a bigger fine and a third offense sends you to JAIL for 10 days. People know the consequences of allowing their dogs to dig out of the fence or just booting them out their front door, so consequently, they don't do it!
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Martin Espericueta wrote 03/14/2006 11:29 PM Re: Pit bull bites 5 at Monroe Park [Re: Becky Shilling ] #100711 - 03/14/2006 11:29 PM
Martin Espericueta Webboard User Reg: 02-07-2006 Posts: 109 Loc: Central Valley, CA, USA Offline	My .02cents... There is a family that owned (the dog passed a few months ago.) a BIG rott., Great dog. and it would eat you if you stepped into their backyard - so far so good... This same dog would be walked by their 10 year old daughter. It was a funny site, this HUGE Rott. pulling/yanking this little girl. Can you see where this CAN lead to, though - in the eyes of the Public? In my area, the majority of pit owners are (I'm not exagerating) teenage gang members. They walk their pits, no - their pits walk them. If you are a PBT owner, I have nothing but love for you. But my point is (long winded <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> ) that their needs to be responsible OWNERS who'll TRAIN their dogs to be social, and not just to "look bad down the street" and fight their dogs. God Bless, Martin Schatzie!
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