 Re: Boy attacked by working PSD
[Re: Grant Cusworth ]
#119848 - 12/06/2006 11:03 AM |
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I don't want to move away from the seriousness of this subject but is it possible the boy did something to the dog to make it engage?
I'm not just talking about the boy engaging prey drive in the dog by moving fast past him, that's not it. If it were then it would have happened with one of the other kids the dog was playing with earlier no?
It seems from the extremely limited, possibly inaccurate and biased, information available, that there is some large part of the story missing here.
I can't help but feel for the dog on hearing how it was bludgeoned with everything but the kitchen sink. Isn't there a better way to remove a dog from an engagement situation, in which the dog was calm and not frenzied by the account given, than trying to batter it to death?
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John
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Re: Boy attacked by working PSD
[Re: John Aiton ]
#119858 - 12/06/2006 11:37 AM |
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"Isn't there a better way to remove a dog from an engagement situation, in which the dog was calm and not frenzied by the account given, than trying to batter it to death?"
I think because this dog was "removed" from the boy in the manner it was... saved the boy from further trama. It doesn't sound to me the dog was playing with the child. Not to mention the dog acted without command.
I don't understand what your saying John, you think the dog should have been calmed down, then pleeded with to let go of the child from complete strangers? I don't see your reasoning.
As far as the stranger with the device.. he did what he had to do in dire straights for an 8 year old boy, he apparently took control of the situation. Didn't sound like anyone else was going to. IMO. Regardless of police dog. He was concerned for the boy not the dog... that's the way it should have been involving a young child and any dog latched. IMO.
I would have done the same thing, rather than watch a young child demise. Must be a woman thing.
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Re: Boy attacked by working PSD
[Re: MelissaCato ]
#119859 - 12/06/2006 12:06 PM |
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Melissa,
Rest assured it's not a "woman thing". If faced with a choice between human life (especially a child) or dog life (even my own) I would have reacted the same way too, but with "more efficiency". That may seem cold to many but it is a reality that this could have gone a lot worse and the fact remains that you cannot reason with an animal. I don't really know of another way to say this and get my point across while still being 'political' about it, so I'll leave that comment alone for now.
Let's also consider the time gap between the time this dog escaped and the time it made its way onto the toboggan hill; who knows what may or may not have transpired in that time. Not only that, the bystanders on the hill that day probably didn't even know this was a police dog!
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Re: Boy attacked by working PSD
[Re: Grant Cusworth ]
#119863 - 12/06/2006 12:38 PM |
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I guess the lesson I am taking away from this is that I have to make sure my gates are secure. I fenced my backyard when I bought my GSD and it has three gates. One has a bolt, the other two standard latches. I've already had one gate blow open in a storm, and the installer is going to work on it. I think I'm going to add padlocks to make sure that when they are closed, they stay closed.
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Re: Boy attacked by working PSD
[Re: Rich Pallechio ]
#119864 - 12/06/2006 01:14 PM |
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Right idea, Rich <:-) Padlocks can save your dog's life & your bank balance !
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Re: Boy attacked by working PSD
[Re: Brad . Martin ]
#119871 - 12/06/2006 02:06 PM |
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I agree, with more effiency...as a woman, if my child was being attacked by a big dog, I can only hope someone would be packing, as I'd shoot the dog dead in a heartbeat if efforts to command, pull the dog off were for naught.
Hypothetically, what would have happened had someone in the bystanders had pulled a gun and shot the dog?
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 Re: Boy attacked by working PSD
[Re: Michele McAtee ]
#119874 - 12/06/2006 02:34 PM |
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Hypothetically, they may have hit the child, that's what! Lawful citizens don't pack heat up here in the great White North.  That's nothing against you, brothers and sisters of the south, but we would have to find "other" means of efficiency. 
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Re: Boy attacked by working PSD
[Re: Brad . Martin ]
#119875 - 12/06/2006 02:48 PM |
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I agree with Bradley. I'm a firefighter, and a few of our members actually live on that street. My one friend who was there is a hunter and said he contemplated shooting the dog after it had been removed from the boy but never while the boy was being attacked. And also, he (wisely) decided against shooting the dog for moral reasons. Not to mention the host of charges that would be brought against him. Discharge of a firearm in the city limits, reckless endangerment etc. and possibly even assaulting a police officer (which to my knowledge a certified K9 is)
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Re: Boy attacked by working PSD
[Re: Grant Cusworth ]
#119877 - 12/06/2006 03:02 PM |
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"And also, he (wisely) decided against shooting the dog for moral reasons. Not to mention the host of charges that would be brought against him. Discharge of a firearm in the city limits, reckless endangerment etc. and possibly even assaulting a police officer (which to my knowledge a certified K9 is)"
... and who in their right mind would be worried about charges with a child being mauled by a dog "at large" on an open street?
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Re: Boy attacked by working PSD
[Re: MelissaCato ]
#119879 - 12/06/2006 03:52 PM |
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... and who in their right mind would be worried about charges with a child being mauled by a dog "at large" on an open street?
Ok, ok...Melissa said it best!
But yeah, messing around with guns with my kid right there, on second thought (thank god I'm not in that situation), pass on the gun. My adrenaline would surely get the dog off my kid, so long as the dog wasn't *too* heavy. Just thinking about the scenario gets me riled and am very grateful I am not in, nor have I had to defend my child against an attack.
I was just thinking in "what if" terms...good answers though.
PS. And as for you Mr. Northern...  I think Iowa is still North. I make no habit of packin--notice I said I'd "hope SOMEone" was...
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