Kristine Velasco wrote 12/09/2006 10:59 AM Re: help with purchase of sch3 titeled gsd [Re: Eric Read ] #120294 - 12/09/2006 10:59 AM
Kristine Velasco Webboard User Reg: 11-27-2005 Posts: 297 Loc: Offline	Ray, a title means nothing unless you know what the dog is capable of. If you're just looking at the title then you're paying thousands of dollars for a dog who might or might not do the job you have in mind for him. I personally don't care if you want to get started on a dog that already knows how to do it vs. from the ground up, that's not the issue. The fact is, someone can get a SchH III on a Lab. So buy for the dog, not the title--why is that insulting to you? That means evaluate the dog itself, not just whether it's a SchH III or not. To be fair I started with a GSD puppy, and he's only a little over a year old and doing fairly well even when I'm not getting as much help as I want. He'll be ready for titling soon. The training itself has little to say about the value of the dog. He and my crap byb dog can do the same exercises.
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Ray Tallan wrote 12/09/2006 12:06 PM Re: help with purchase of sch3 titeled gsd [Re: Eric Read ] #120297 - 12/09/2006 12:06 PM
Ray Tallan Webboard User Reg: 12-07-2006 Posts: 35 Loc: tn usa Offline	Now were getting somewhere thanks ERIC for a valid point alittle explaination goes a long way Ray Tallan
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Angelique Cadogan wrote 12/10/2006 02:21 AM Re: help with purchase of sch3 titeled gsd [Re: Kristine Velasco ] #120361 - 12/10/2006 02:21 AM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	We have Schut III dogs that will protect their handlers for real, I have a Sch.I that will protect me for real, where do you get that all Schutz. dogs won't protect for real? I have seen seen K9 police dogs that wouldn't protect their handlers, would I say every k9 dog....... NO. Titles mean nothing when you are buying a titled dog ,unless you see that dog in person do all 3 phases and passes all 3. We have seen Schutz titled dogs that looked as if they had never been on a leash and came from germany with high scores.It all depends on the dog ,pedigree,foundation ect.to say that he will or not protect you.And best of all put the dog to the test.There is nothing wrong with someone that wants to buy a titled dog, just know what to look for.
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Kristine Velasco wrote 12/10/2006 11:50 AM Re: help with purchase of sch3 titeled gsd [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #120386 - 12/10/2006 11:50 AM
Kristine Velasco Webboard User Reg: 11-27-2005 Posts: 297 Loc: Offline	Yeah, Angelique, that was the point this whole time?
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Angelique Cadogan wrote 12/10/2006 01:12 PM Re: help with purchase of sch3 titeled gsd [Re: Kristine Velasco ] #120392 - 12/10/2006 01:12 PM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	I was commenting to your one line answer (page one) I did not see page 2 at the time.Then, when I posted I thought "I just flippin' repeated what Kristine said It was late in the night for me, I guess I should have waited for morning to post my thoughts
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Kristine Velasco wrote 12/10/2006 02:56 PM Re: help with purchase of sch3 titeled gsd [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #120409 - 12/10/2006 02:56 PM
Kristine Velasco Webboard User Reg: 11-27-2005 Posts: 297 Loc: Offline	LOL trust me I know the feeling.
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Ray Tallan wrote 12/11/2006 02:07 AM Re: help with purchase of sch3 titeled gsd [Re: Kristine Velasco ] #120470 - 12/11/2006 02:07 AM
Ray Tallan Webboard User Reg: 12-07-2006 Posts: 35 Loc: tn usa Offline	Ill agree title can mean nothing, as little as I know about all this I totally agree. I looked at 5 dogs lately, SCH1 SCH11 and they must have been titeled at HUEY,DEWY and LOUIE school for laughs They were something to see The first guy was going to show me OBD/training so he says watch this; looks at the poor dog says plotz, the dog just looks at him again PLOTZ\\\PLOTZ\\\\\ finally the guy says,let me get my prong collar, I said you need to get your drivers license because your leaving here and that was one of the better ones But on the bright side I think I may have located a guy in MAINE with a good prospect ill keep ya posted????????????? Ray Tallan
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Mike Arnold wrote 12/11/2006 07:34 AM Re: help with purchase of sch3 titeled gsd [Re: Ray Tallan ] #120491 - 12/11/2006 07:34 AM
Mike Arnold Webboard User Reg: 07-09-2004 Posts: 1344 Loc: CNY Offline	Mr. Tallan, I admit to just skimming through these posts and my following comments may be well off the mark but... Why in the world would you want a dog that some one else has developed? Is it to be a trophy to be marched out to 'impress' folks? Is it to be in a kennel to be gestured at? Do you intend to actually work the dog? I probably missed the point of your post completely. Mike A. Mike A. "I wouldn't touch that dog, son. He don't take to pettin." Hondo, played by John Wayne
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Sandy Moore wrote 12/11/2006 07:59 AM Re: help with purchase of sch3 titeled gsd [Re: Ray Tallan ] #120494 - 12/11/2006 07:59 AM
Sandy Moore Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2006 Posts: 2665 Loc: AZ Offline	Quote: Ray Tallan The easiest way iknow to reply is as follows. You live in your house correct,But im shure it would have been more rewarding if you had built it yourself,or to be a great race-car driver does that mean you have to build the car from the ground up? I live in a great house, and have won several races in my racecar yet i didnt accomplish either alone Good points and true, yet if you start with a good Sch 3 GSD, would you have the handler skills necessary to work the dog and maintain his training. I'm thinking it's rather like letting me, who has never driven past 85 mph, get in your racecar and drive in a race at 200 mph. Wouldn't you agree that before you would let me, you would want me to have the training required to go at top speeds? If I had a Sch 3 dog, it would not be sold to anyone who doesn't know the necessary skills to handle the dog, and don't agree with anyone trying to sell you one. Of course I could be wrong about this, maybe the skills can be learned quickly, on the spot so to speak, but I doubt it. It seems much more complex than that from my readings on this forum. If I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from the professionals on this forum so I can eat my words
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Mike Sanchez wrote 12/11/2006 08:00 AM Re: help with purchase of sch3 titeled gsd [Re: Mike Arnold ] #120495 - 12/11/2006 08:00 AM
Mike Sanchez Webboard User Reg: 05-18-2003 Posts: 305 Loc: Offline	Ray, if it's for your own security, be careful when buying anything labeled a "protection dog" off the internet. Most of these dogs are equipment oriented only and way over-priced. The fact is, the majority of the general public knows very little about what they're buying, making them easy targets. They're just waiting for someone with a lot of money to come around who's ignorant about protection dogs.
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