Quote: richard casares

In contrast, our competition is purely motivated by selling over-priced German Shepherd puppies to uneducated buyers and creating instructional videos that drone on for hours and hours.

while i can't personally argue with any of the other points (can't, can't be bothered, whatever), that one sticks out as easy pickings for me.

what the hell are they smoking?!? i've never even considered buying one of ed's puppies (i am far too poor), but it strikes me that ed doesn't want someone with their head up his arse anywhere near his pups. you see, it's good for a breeder to have their dogs involved with great trainers and reaching high levels of the sport. conversely, i imagine it's bad for them to have a dog that gets chained up, and then winds up mauling some kid. "it's a bred attack dog, from leerburg kennels!" some asshat will chime.

overpriced? possibly, depends who you ask. not in my opinion though, you aren't so much paying for the puppy, as you are the breeding that went into it. i love my rescue shelter mutt dogs to death, but i don't expect shutzhund work out of them.

oh, and i'm a sir. yes, i have an effeminate name.

edit: oh, and sitstayfetch, just taking a quick look at it, reeks of those ads you see in fitness magazines promising to make you a better lover. the ones that have the same picture every month, but a different name (or vice versa). in fact a quick google search turns up a report about them using this very same scam!

to be fair, if you want an unbiased opinion about those two sites, you've probably come to the wrong place... but i wouldn't give my money to either of them.

"oh, and i'm a sir. yes, i have an effeminate name. "

woops. my bad. can i borrow a shovel? thanks for the advice.

i did see that. good eye.

All I gotta say is, dog trainers are going to argue forever about each other's methods and gossip about each other until Armageddon. I have gotten pretty used to it. In fact one thing I've learned all these years is to take everything with a grain of salt and take what's useful regardless of what other people say about someone--and also not to get into an argument with someone about dog training.

Personally I've been browsing this website since I was a teenager, fresh into high school, and it gave me a whole new insight in the dog world that is not AKC-tainted. I appreciate the wealth of information Ed offers in this site and forum.

Thanks Kristine. You are right. People will argue and debate till death. Results do matter.

I don't want to be rude or anything, but the focus of this forum has become dogproblems.com. I want to redirect it back to my dog problem, so to speak.

Any more analysis concerning the original post concerning loyalty / attachment issues for dogs whos owners suddenly disappear for months at a time, as I unfortunately had to with my short notice deployment (I had just gotten back from a remote tour for a year in March.. didnt expect the next deployment so soon). I mean, is it best that I not have a dog at all, even though for all intensive purposes luna will be my only constant as friends, girlfriends, houses, and jobs come and go?

People take in adult rescues all the time and have no problems bonding. Police Service Dogs are often 2-3 yrs old when they are deployed to their new handlers and have no problems adjusting. It's all about your ability to establish yourself as the leader.
Ideally your friend will be socializing the dog while your gone.

 Quote: Richard Casares

... Any more analysis concerning the original post concerning loyalty / attachment issues for dogs whos owners suddenly disappear for months at a time,...

A very experienced member of the forum who isn't online right now said

EDIT ---- Never mind. He posted right above! LOL!

To add to this post,

Richard I have the copies of Dog Problems book and audio that you can have. I have ordered them years ago and I was on the forum for a very short time. I gracefully removed myself due to the aggressive nature of the people on there. I also own in my possession Ed's material an I wouldn't sell it for anything. I haven't picked up or even glanced at Adam's stuff. I am on this forum daily reading and observing and writing form time to time.

I live in southern California and I have been here for many years. Adam owned and operated a kennel in South Bay for many years till he moved to Costa Rica. I worked with his competition for 9 yrs. I think a few things need to be seen here.

We are in Los Angeles and are in the PR capital of the world. We have produced trainers Like Adam and Shelby Marlo and Cesar Milan and a few others. The only thing is that they had an advertising campaign to back them and Hollywood and Oprah and Johnny Carson. There are a lot of amazing trainers that you will never hear of that are leaps and bounds above all of them.. I happen to know a few and I think you find a bunch of them here as well.

I have been a trainer for 11 yrs and I have to say that I am proud to say that I belong to this forum. You want solid information and support, this forum will give it to you. We all tend to be committed owners, trainers and handlers.

Ed's info is solid. His information is priceless to all people from novice to expert. You will be impressed if you buy the material.

As far as the bonding back to your pup, I see it this way. Dogs need a leader and your friend isn't being one. You should find that your dog will welcome the discipline and driving force in her life. If she has been living a free for all, great! Thank your friend for all that he has done and get to training! Your pup will love you for it. I promise!!!!

I'm on both forums and both give excellent training advice. But, there's an old, and very true saying that says the only thing that two trainers will agree on is that a third trainer is wrong.

I've been on a few other forums, but I haven't found any to be as useful as this site. One forum I visited wouldn't answer your questions until you'd confirmed buying some of the product.

Re:pricing, I would never say Leerburg dogs are over priced. In fact, I was suprised they weren't more expensive. But then again, this is coming from someone with a conformation background, where anything under $1500 is considered cheap for many breeds, and it's not "over priced" until you're above $2500. And that's for show dogs that don't necessarily have any special qualifications other than being pretty enough for a few ribbons. I'd pay double what Ed's asking for the working ability of his dogs.

Richard,

Is it possible to order Ed's puppy and basic obedience DVD for your friend to watch and use? And maybe point your friend to this web site. I'm thinking being proactive now might be better than waiting 6 or 8 weeks to address the issue.