Sometimes I think I must be dumb the way I can't seem to figure out how to post. Thanks for taking them stars off my name this is more realistic

 Quote: Richard Pryor

...and if you happen to be armed, your instincts have to be very sharp to draw your weapon (hopefully it's armed), remove safety, aim and shoot at least one of the dogs in the 3 second time frame it takes for them to get you.

Let me say first, that I am a police officer in Memphis, and ill pit bull ownership is a big problem here. I could go on for days about why people here have pit bulls, and the reasons why they don't need them, but I will spare you all...

Richard is right in his assertion that it takes some skill to shoot a dog, ESPECIALLY a pit bull. Two of my partners, who are crack shots (one is an NRA and FBI certified firearms instructor), have both had run ins with pit bulls on duty. One got out of the holster and got 3 rounds off (the dog charged him from about a distance 20'), with not one strinking the dog; the other got out of the holster, but was able to get away from the dog without having to shoot. He said that there was little chance that he could have hit him if he shot (aside from the fact that his field of fire wasn't clear). Fortunately, he was able to get away from the dog while the owner corralled him.

All that being said, I agree that the dogs will take the brunt of the heat, not his idiot owner. Truly a shame, and so characteristic of Memphis pit bull ownership. (Should anyone be interested in my rant about pit bull ownership in Memphis, PM me and I'll be happy to oblige you).

Below is a link to the story in the local paper, as well as a link to the story done by one of the local news stations.
The Commercial Appeal
Channel 5's story

 Quote: marcia pontius

More people in the United States die from dumb owners with guns then dumb owners with dogs!

Well, at least our government trusts us with guns - it's called being a citizen.
I always feel bad for the sheep in other countries that are "subjects" - but it's their choice to live under a government that won't trust them enough to own a firearm.
But some people like living in a "nanny state", I guess.


Concerning the topic of being able to actually hit a fast moving target, proper firearm training is vital in a dangerous situation. Why not spend a week learning from the pro's .....and watch your personal security takes a big leap.

I can highly recommend the following Firearm Academy's to learn defensive handgun training:
http://www.gunsite.com/
http://www.thunderranchinc.com/

Either of those could well be the best investment of a week that you'll ever make.

And Scott...yeah, it's gonna be about the dogs. And the owners bad conduct will hardly rate a by-line in the press.

Man, I hate the media with their little "agenda's".

hi my name is jon lawrence and i suck at typing. i am a life member of the N.R.A. An avid hunter,brother to two L.A. CO. police officers (1 retierd). and am joining this conversation late!!! bye the way i suck !!! at typing so sorry about punctuation..and spacing or lack there of.MORE GUNS LESS CRIME!!!Im really trying to introduce myself to what i have found to be the most canine smart people Ive ever came across (As far as working dogs). I grew up around hounds.True hunting hounds. and cow dogs.True cow dogs.luv em both.nothin like a deep mountain full cry!! But in my heart ive (sic again).always loved working dogs! Ilove watching sheps and rotts and Dobs and all the rest kickin bad guy ass!! The readers digest version is that 10 yrs ago i picked up what i assumed was a full shep she was the love of my life!! but reading you guys (AND ED OF COURSE!!) i realize i dont know s$$t.we lost our K.C. 2 yrs ago to old age i'll tell you that story another time if you want... tear jerker..anyway after 2 yrs my wife said ..gotta have a dog and its gotta be a shep..anyhow sheps in paper for 400 after6wks 200 wife says go look.. i know what you guys are thinkin uh oh.. but no she is pretty cool real cool im in love!...AGAIN! thing is i hear ed talk about american sheps versus euro sheps and he says u.s. sheps are worthless for protection. BUT my old gal K.C. was very what i ASSUME sharp. Dominant aggressive YES! because MY lack of training! you guys would have loved (or not) the way she handeled a pushy insurance salesman (allied insurance door to door.. he thought if he could open the screen and walk in it was SOLD!! she felt me and She did not like what she felt.SHE WENT OFF!! No bites he closed the door quick and excused himself from the premisis.i know im long winded what im askin is is my new dog gonna work out she seems smart loving sharp walks well on leash GO'S outside if your paying attention!! and jumps my little boy(He's a tough 9 and loves it)like a k-9 badgirl!. i know i need eds videos. im dog saavy enough to know a real dogman.Iguess what im asking is where do i look for pedigree,any advice,SUPPORT so i dont screw her up!trust me videos on the way. i just want a dog that will flat kick a kidnappers ASS!! period. will most loving good dogs regardles of the breed do that??? sorry so long please dont be angry took like an hour to write thise shit!

oh my god can you people even read what i wrote???

also sory for usin someone elses topic..dont know how to post

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Thanks for the input Marcia, How's that socialized medicine thing working out for you guys? Hope you don't have to wait too long for basic care. Heard the weather is wonderful up there this time of year. Fuel Tax not too bad?

LOL! (I'm sorry, can't help it, but that was funny)

I spoke in haste, my apologies, lets go back to talking about illresponsible dog owners

 Quote: marcia pontius

More people in the United States die from dumb owners with guns then dumb owners with dogs!

i kind of get what you're trying to say, but i still disagree with you. people who own high-drive/aggressive/high-energy (trying to avoid the grossly misused term "dangerous" here) dogs and don't put the effort into proper training and maintenance are the major factor behind dog bites.

the only reason firearms were even brought up in this thread is because if he'd had one - and been skilled in it's use - it might have saved him from injury. your basic stance of not wanting anyone to have a gun in no way helps his hypothetical situation at all. arguing about the criminals with guns who cause problems in the USA is completely irrelevant and makes you out to be a gun-control chimp (which, from what i've gathered, won't get you very far with the audience on this forum). gun control is, in my opinion, the same knee-jerk reaction to a problem as breed-specific legislation is.

getting back on topic, i hope that sonofabitch owner is taken apart. i really don't agree so much with the civil side of it, personally i'd like to see much much harsher penalties for people who's dogs do atrocities like this, and for the damn newspapers to cover that side of it.

instead of the bone-heads concentrating on the dogs that did it, we need to send a clear message to the dipshits who own "aggressive" breeds because they look agressive: keep your dog under control, or else.

i think pits are a wonderful breed, as are other "aggressive" breeds, and those dog breeds are suffering because of the irresponsible actions of a few.