Connie Sutherland wrote 04/17/2007 03:19 PM Re: Honest Kitchen vs. RAW [Re: enrique muniz ] #138480 - 04/17/2007 03:19 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: enrique muniz My 2 cents... Dogs do not need a "balanced" diet. Dogs are carnivores and occasionally scavengers. Their whole diet is based on meat and bones (organs included). On the other hand, we're omnivores. We eat everything, therefore WE need a balanced diet. "Balance" in a diet is a concept coined by humans and has no place in the world of carnivores. Just look at wolves, dingos, lions, etc. Good points. More to the point, I think, if the animal was left on his own to "balance" the diet. Since we assume 100% control over the intake, shouldn't we also assume the responsibility of figuring out as well as we can what the wild canid evolved eating and would eat if left alone? Yes: whole prey, including stomach contents of most of the prey (all the smaller prey), as well as some produce. But we feed selected parts of that prey (if that; maybe we feed a kibble that is based on grains). We do not include the brains, eyeballs, most of the organs, and so on. With that one step, we are radically rewriting the menu. What I mean when I say "balanced" is "as close to natural as I can get." I don't mean "balanced" in the way a human's diet might be called "balanced." Not quarelling -- I think it's a matter of semantics. JMO.
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Alex Madsen wrote 04/17/2007 05:10 PM Re: Honest Kitchen vs. RAW [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #138489 - 04/17/2007 05:10 PM
Alex Madsen Webboard User Reg: 02-16-2007 Posts: 101 Loc: Offline	I actually did read those already, and the diet I had set up a long time ago looks like a great diet, however, it just scares me because I've already spent $1000 in order to figure out why he had diarrhea for three months, and I guess I'm just scared I'll do something stupid and get him sick again! I still have a few weeks before he's fully healed, so I'll study my ass off and do my best to keep him on RAW. Right now he's eating cooked meat, if I do decide to keep him on RAW, is that going to be a bad transition, or would it be fine to do it overnight? - Ali
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/17/2007 05:24 PM Re: Honest Kitchen vs. RAW [Re: Alex Madsen ] #138490 - 04/17/2007 05:24 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Alex Madsen I actually did read those already, and the diet I had set up a long time ago looks like a great diet, however, it just scares me because I've already spent $1000 in order to figure out why he had diarrhea for three months, and I guess I'm just scared I'll do something stupid and get him sick again! I still have a few weeks before he's fully healed, so I'll study my ass off and do my best to keep him on RAW. Right now he's eating cooked meat, if I do decide to keep him on RAW, is that going to be a bad transition, or would it be fine to do it overnight? - Ali Not just cooked meat with no bones, right? And not cooked bones, I'm sure, but I have to ask.....? The bacterial infection that gave him diarrhea for three months....... what was that diagnosis, specifically? I'm asking these questions because this is not the usual healthy-dog diet-switch situation, based on your posts. I applaud your efforts to get the best diet info for your dog, especially with a healthy problem history. And I sure do sympathize.
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Alex Madsen wrote 04/17/2007 05:52 PM Re: Honest Kitchen vs. RAW [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #138492 - 04/17/2007 05:52 PM
Alex Madsen Webboard User Reg: 02-16-2007 Posts: 101 Loc: Offline	I actually doing very bland diet right now with cooked ground beef or ground turkey, with some cooked rice. I add some yogurt on top of it right now because he's on antibiotics. Of the fecal culture we did on Friday, only three of the results are back right now. Two of them (Giardia and parva) proved to be negative, however, he proved positive for clostridium which I understand is a bacteria infection. The vet said to keep him on a very bland diet until he's fully healed. She said even though it's not a dietary problem, his stomach is still sensitive right now and anything too rich can get him sick again. She said once he goes for a full week without any diarrhea, than I can switch him gradually to something permanent. - Ali
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/17/2007 06:08 PM Re: Honest Kitchen vs. RAW [Re: Alex Madsen ] #138496 - 04/17/2007 06:08 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Oh, I gotcha! Temporary diet for upset. The poor guy. I hope the soothing diet is helping.
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Mike Morrison wrote 04/17/2007 06:15 PM Re: Honest Kitchen vs. RAW [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #138499 - 04/17/2007 06:15 PM
Mike Morrison Webboard User Reg: 11-29-2005 Posts: 375 Loc: Houston, Texas Offline	I got two days of probiotics from my vet and it really helped sspeed things up for my GSD girl. It took her over a week to get back to something kind of normal. Remember the antibiotics kill all of the bacteria, not just the bad ones and the bacteria found in yogurt, while definitely good for him/her, aren't all the ones the he/she needs to digest all the different kinds of food you are probably feeding. If you've ever kept fish tanks, it's very similar to a new tank cycling with the different colonies of bacteria balancing themselves out in the tank. Brenna
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Kristina Padgett wrote 04/17/2007 08:57 PM Re: Honest Kitchen vs. RAW [Re: enrique muniz ] #138515 - 04/17/2007 08:57 PM
Kristina Padgett Webboard User Reg: 12-01-2004 Posts: 73 Loc: Gresham, Oregon Offline	What I have noticed when I use the THK, my dogs do tend to be gassy which is why I only use it about once a week. There is nothing grosser than when my dogs feel the need to lay around me and start farting up a storm (they only seem to do this after I feed them the THK). Otherwise, with the raw diet, the dogs gas is not as offensive so you might want to take that into consideration. To smell a fart or not smell a fart, that is the question. Kristina Per Mare, Per Terras
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/17/2007 09:09 PM Re: Honest Kitchen vs. RAW [Re: Kristina Padgett ] #138516 - 04/17/2007 09:09 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Kristina Padgett they only seem to do this after I feed them the THK). Otherwise, with the raw diet, the dogs gas is not as offensive Are you sure they aren't getting into something else too? Mine don't have that on either all raw or on the occasional THK. And I have a pretty motley crew of breeds and ages.
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Kristina Padgett wrote 04/17/2007 09:46 PM Re: Honest Kitchen vs. RAW [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #138522 - 04/17/2007 09:46 PM
Kristina Padgett Webboard User Reg: 12-01-2004 Posts: 73 Loc: Gresham, Oregon Offline	I put the dogs on raw first and didn't notice any malodorous emanations coming from my dogs hind quarters until I introduced the THK. My female, Heidi, seems to suffer more from the gas than the other two. I put her into her kennel one day after such a meal and I must say there was a stinky cloud hovering over the kennel. My other two dogs also seem to get the gas but not as bad. I think it's the veggies in it that's doing it. They don't get diarrhea or soft stools with the THK, just gas. Kristina Per Mare, Per Terras
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Kristina Padgett wrote 04/17/2007 10:09 PM Re: Honest Kitchen vs. RAW [Re: Kristina Padgett ] #138524 - 04/17/2007 10:09 PM
Kristina Padgett Webboard User Reg: 12-01-2004 Posts: 73 Loc: Gresham, Oregon Offline	I limit the amount I give them now, just mixing some with their raw dinner they get. They still have gas but not nearly as bad as when I gave them a meal of it the first couple of days after I got it. I won't eliminate it from their diet as they do enjoy it and don't seem to suffer from other ill effects from eating it. Kristina Per Mare, Per Terras
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