Well I will respectfully disagree with you when it comes to the nature of a well bred APBT, Am Staff or Staffy Bull. All three PB breeds. Because of the PB's genetic history vs in spite of, a well bred dog should be very people passive. Due the dogs legacy breeding purpose, cainine combat, and as the dogs were required to be handled during such encounters, those dogs that bit people were culled from the breeding process as a people aggressive animal was not useful. So you will hear from PB advocates you want a protection dog get a GSD, you want to compete in bite sports try a Mal, PBs are generally softer on the bite and naturally less aggressive to people due to the dogs breeding...to them it is a game, not their work. Even the best PB will most likely struggle to go head to head with a Mal or GSD in the protection sports and abilities DUE to their nature. So I say again a people aggressive PB has been so abused or mishandled (like poor breeding) or mistreated and is severly damaged, thus overcoming it's genetics to show signs of unprovoked or even provoke people aggression. There are many PB breeders today that will absolutely NOT tolerate a people biter for ANY reason, as it is very clear to them it is a geneic fault.

You're right Val and I understand your point. Due to the history of the breed and it's allowed aggression towards other dogs but not people is true. Now with that said, if a GSD, Mal or Dobe (which are great guard/working dogs) bite or kill another dog, should it be destroyed? I mean, it's not in their history to attack other dogs.

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You're right Val and I understand your point. Due to the history of the breed and it's allowed aggression towards other dogs but not people is true. Now with that said, if a GSD, Mal or Dobe (which are great guard/working dogs) bite or kill another dog, should it be destroyed? I mean, it's not in their history to attack other dogs.

Alex,

Should the bite or kill of a guardian to another animal be in defense of it's owner or it's property due to it's training or due to the breeds characteristics I would say no, but if you had a rougue guardian that for no reason attacks and kills another animal I would say the dog has some issues. Now in today's climate for the PB breeds unnacceptable behavior such as that described in this article is another nail in the breeds coffin and thus termination of the offender is what is best for the breed as a whole IMO. If a GSD attacks and kills fluffy-poo next door I doubt it would even be news worthy....but should a PB do the same, walla we have news, John Q Public is horrified and BSL looks like a solution...and that simply is my point.

Yes, I do understand what you mean. It is just unfortunate that this dog that attacked had to be a PB. Well that, and the fact that it was allowed to run loose and then not claimed. Should a Greyhound have attacked the medic, I doubt it would have been in the news.

i understand all the points made..but the ball comes down to the fact that this PB was allowed to become agressive and allowed to roam freely..
if it was owned by a responsible owner it would never have been in that situation...
so its not the dogs fault!!!
THAT IS MY POINT! if anyone should be blamed its the owner..and the dog should be rehabilitated...bcoz it can be done...ask Ed, he does that whole hanging from the tree thing...and in responsible hands a PB is a wonderful dog!

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i understand all the points made..but the ball comes down to the fact that this PB was allowed to become agressive and allowed to roam freely..
if it was owned by a responsible owner it would never have been in that situation...
so its not the dogs fault!!!
THAT IS MY POINT! if anyone should be blamed its the owner..and the dog should be rehabilitated...bcoz it can be done...ask Ed, he does that whole hanging from the tree thing...and in responsible hands a PB is a wonderful dog!

When it comes to irresponsible ownership the PB cannot afford it in the eyes of the public. I agree the owner should be blamed but alas there was none. A loose running PB should not necessarily equate to a people aggessive PB, as a matter of fact it should be difficult - IF the dog was AT LEAST bred well, let alone not trained or abused. It is quite possible to rehabilitate this dog, but why? All you need do is go to the pound to give a dog(PB) that IS worthy of rehabilitating (meaning good genetics, disposition, bad circumstances)before it gets the bog blue needle and most likely is much less likely to kill or hurt someone afterwards thus continuing the righful onslaught of negative publicity. I'll repeat the PB breeds don't need this, and I don't need to ask anyone. No need to sell me on how wonderful a PB is...I own two of them and I could not agree with you more.

I am just trying to be able to continue to own them as well as my children and there children....Fight BSL!

Valerie, I can't tell you how my heart falls everytime I see an innocent little PB puppy in the arms of a punk. Like I can almost guess its future. It's very sad, beyond words.

I know what you mean Sandy. As Valerie said, PB's already have a bad rap and it is not their fault by any means. It is completely the owner's fault. Unfortunately, if things like this keep happening, PB's could become extinct with BSL, then those same punks will move onto another breed. Boxer, Bulldogs, Rotties...etc. Humans are so bad sometimes.

The worst is seeing a teen or even younger with a pit out at the park and get dragged around.Kids have NO leadership,what the h.ll are their parents thinking? That really makes my blood boil.

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The worst is seeing a teen or even younger with a pit out at the park and get dragged around.Kids have NO leadership,what the h.ll are their parents thinking? That really makes my blood boil.

Scares me! My male APBT is 45 lbs of solid muscle, he is 11 yrs old and I find as he gets older he trys to pretend like he does not know his training...he makes me laugh. He is a sweet ole dog and does well with all animals and people. My female Am Staff is about 32 lbs she is very responsive as she has had very intensive training (due to her propensity to DA)...I would never trust her around another dog not to be an idiot, she is always well secured and my leadership is strictly enforced with her. I am only 5'2", but I am a body builder and am very strong for a woman my size...I still will not take both my dogs out alone, they are simply too powerful and I never want to be seen by anyone that I am not in complete control of my dogs because they are PBs.