I agree that it's not possible for us to replicate exactly the diet of a wild canid.

I do think we can come closer when we feed fresh food.

 Quote: angelique cadogan

Anytime i have read an anti-raw website they never have facts to back it up! They just want to sound like scientist,biologist,Zoologist,nutritionist,ect.. and they are nothing but kennel attendants...

Or employees of one of the biggest (and worst, IMHO) of the commercial food companies!

There was a wonderful "heads up" here a couple of months ago. A forum member was concerned about an article that used several scare tactics to argue against raw feeding.

Turned out the article was authored by an executive at Hills. This took some digging; naturally, the connection was not disclosed in the article.

I had a dog once who got pancreatitis twice in her life. Once she got my grease can off the counter (bacon grease, hamburger fat, etc.) and ate the whole thing. Second time she snagged a whole tub of margerine. She recovered fine both times ans lived to be 11 (greyhound mix) on supermarket dog food (I didn't know any better). I don't think the amount of fat in a whole chicken even comes close to what she ate in one sitting.

http://rawfed.com/myths/rebuttal.html

 Quote: Michael_Wise

http://rawfed.com/myths/rebuttal.html

Excellent rebuttal.
I'm glad to see that they point out how Vets have a significant financial stake attached to their involvement regarding the Dog Food companies.

I like the reference on the Second Chance web page to "READ THIS BOOK" - "Raw Meat Diets for Cats and Dogs" by James O'Heare, PhD.

Unless there's more than one James O'Heare, PhD., he's the same vegan that runs the Vegan Dog Nutrition Association and web site. No bias there, huh?

Mike

 Quote: Will Rambeau

 Quote: Michael_Wise

http://rawfed.com/myths/rebuttal.html

Excellent rebuttal.
I'm glad to see that they point out how Vets have a significant financial stake attached to their involvement regarding the Dog Food companies.

Here Here!

I just want to say that anyone who has the ability to listen, can tell that this is BS. Honestly, it didn't take me very long. As someone else has given examples of, he makes huge logical leaps within his analysis. Similarly, I read about two paragraphs into the rebuttal, and could tell right away the author was thinking more clearly.

I can imagine a wolf catching a rabbit, taking it back to the den, skinning it (with a knife), and then rubbing two sticks together or using a fire bow, gettin' some nice water boiling, and plop into the pot mr bunny...or maybe it would be a nice vegan quiche in the oven...I don't know!

That anti-raw author made some claim about wolves in the wild not maintaining good health on their wild, raw diet - thus our dogs should definitely not be following that model, opting rather for human engineered "pet food", or cooked home diets, because it's SO MUCH more balanced and doesn't allow for any malnutrition...

The idea that any organism would not be getting enough nutrition, or be of reasonably good dietary health, by eating a diet NATURAL to them is just ridiculous. Unless one is working on a highly professional level trying to maximize performance for a sport dog, in order to break records or otherwise push the boundaries of canine physiology and athleticism, the diet and digestive systems that mother nature has been refining for MILLENIA should do just fine for most dogs - wild, companion, working, you name it. Most raw feeders provide a rather "souped up" version of raw anyway, supplimenting where they see fit and providing a great variety of ingredients.

I'd also like to point out that the author claims to have spent 11 YEARS compiling evidence AGAINST something that it only takes most raw feeders a few WEEKS to see is a GOOD THING. Obviously, they had to dig pretty hard through all the accolades and success stories in order to polish up a handful of negatives...

~Natalya