Connie Sutherland wrote 10/02/2007 02:06 PM Re: impact of neutering under 12 months [Re: Jim Thomas ] #156900 - 10/02/2007 02:06 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31580 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Jim Thomas ... get Luc a manly bandanna! -J
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Jennifer Mullen wrote 10/02/2007 02:13 PM Re: impact of neutering under 12 months [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #156902 - 10/02/2007 02:13 PM
Jennifer Mullen Webboard User Reg: 08-16-2007 Posts: 2365 Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland  Quote: Jim Thomas ... get Luc a manly bandanna! -J i've actually thought of it! and connie - i forgot to search! thanks for the great links in that. Teagan!
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randy allen wrote 10/02/2007 03:49 PM Re: impact of neutering under 12 months [Re: Jennifer Mullen ] #156905 - 10/02/2007 03:49 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Thanks for the link Connie. Sorry, call it lazyness, call it lack of time, call it a brain fart, but it's all news to me that I didn't find on my own. Thanks for providing an answer. I'll never spay or neuter before 2 years again. Randy
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/02/2007 03:58 PM Re: impact of neutering under 12 months [Re: randy allen ] #156907 - 10/02/2007 03:58 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31580 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: randy allen Thanks for the link Connie. Sorry, call it lazyness, call it lack of time, call it a brain fart, but it's all news to me that I didn't find on my own. Thanks for providing an answer. I'll never spay or neuter before 2 years again. Randy I actually do spay as soon as full growth is reached. It's my personal bias from having had two females with malignant mammary tumors. But again, that's only my own personal decision. It's good to read up and make individual decisions, factoring in the owner's ability to prevent oops litters, of course. (On this board, needless to say, the oops factor would be FAR less than in any cross-section of the dog-owning population in general.)
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randy allen wrote 10/02/2007 04:54 PM Re: impact of neutering under 12 months [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #156909 - 10/02/2007 04:54 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Now that I think about it, I'm really bent at my vet. Why wasn't I made aware of all the ramifications of dittling around in that area? Well, they should know shouldn't they? After all they've studied a gazillon hours on the phsyiology of the canide species haven't they? And I pay them well for their educated advice. I remember having a long discusion about when my present GSD was going to be spayed. Nowhere in the conversation was any mention of growth rates or her final mental awareness. Even if I didn't have some other issues with them; this would cut it. Time for another vet, no doubt about it. Thanks again, Randy
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/02/2007 05:07 PM Re: impact of neutering under 12 months [Re: randy allen ] #156910 - 10/02/2007 05:07 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31580 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	In defense of some vets, they probably see 99% pets (as opposed to working dogs), and a large percentage of those would probably be inadequately protected against oops pregnancies. I volunteer at shelters, and the heartbreak of that kind of work can easily turn into a bias towards neutering. JMO. But if you had a long discussion and you asked questions, then you are right to be miffed, IMHO. There's as much to learn and factor into the decision about neutering as about feeding, IMO.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/02/2007 05:09 PM Re: impact of neutering under 12 months [Re: randy allen ] #156911 - 10/02/2007 05:09 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31580 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: randy allen And I pay them well for their educated advice. This is the part that angers me when people ask for feeding recommendations and are guided towards the shiny bags of Science Diet in the front office. Or when we want to discuss over-vaccinating.......
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randy allen wrote 10/02/2007 05:47 PM Re: impact of neutering under 12 months [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #156914 - 10/02/2007 05:47 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Yeah, they as much as blamed my last GSD's hemangia sarcoma on me for the diet I was feeding her. (Guess I didn't buy enough dry food from them.) Plenty of bones and meat, with some good quality kibble mixed in. I'm now moving even farther away from grains............. And I'm the one that told them vaccinations were going to be a lot rarer. Hummm maybe thats why they don't like me no more. If I had a lawyer on retainer I'd sue on general principal right now though; the discusion on spaying was long enough to have covered just the issue I'm on about now. I wanted the best for my dog and what I got instead was somebody's half baked notion of social good. It just stinks. And makes me sick. No free passes on this, I off to find another vet. Randy
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/02/2007 06:06 PM Re: impact of neutering under 12 months [Re: randy allen ] #156915 - 10/02/2007 06:06 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31580 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: randy allen Yeah, they as much as blamed my last GSD's hemangia sarcoma on me for the diet I was feeding her. (Guess I didn't buy enough dry food from them.) ... No free passes on this, I off to find another vet. Randy Excellent plan. I would say why, too.
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randy allen wrote 10/02/2007 07:10 PM Re: impact of neutering under 12 months [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #156916 - 10/02/2007 07:10 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Don't know if I should start another thread on this or carry on. For the now until I'm told otherwise I guess I'll continue. Connie, I understand about the general dog owner population, I find them as a rule to be ignorant about dogs, unconcerned about their welfare or behavior. If fact I think the larger majority don't deserve a dog under any condition. Spayed, neutered or not. However that is outside of my control. I bow before anyone who can work inside a shelter and maintain control. Myself, I'd lock up the people and let the dogs go! Thank-you Connie (and to everyone else doing the same) for doing the hard stuff. I'll Always keep you people in my prayers, Randy
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