Hi John
I am looking forwards to seeing what he does. But as you and the other Guys say its Patience and a slow process. I will let you know when he has his first go at it

I'm glad to hear that most gsd's don't do a lot of barking. Levi rarely ever barks and is so mellow when people come to the door. Sometimes it seems like he could care less. Bandit is barking his head off and Levi just sits there. I have often wondered how I am to get him to bark and hold. I don't think the holding will be as much of an issue as the barking. He actually barks more in the truck than anywhere else. Go figure.

I was more referring to young dogs that dont bark during prey bitework, my dogs don't shut up around the house, but getting em to bark when playing tug with them is damn near impossible! Alot of GSD pups that are very high prey don't seem to vocalize beyond squeeling and whining.

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I was more referring to young dogs that dont bark during prey bitework, my dogs don't shut up around the house, but getting em to bark when playing tug with them is damn near impossible! Alot of GSD pups that are very high prey don't seem to vocalize beyond squeeling and whining.

If it's just me with a tug, I will agree 100%. Just recently at 14 months has my female started to bark at me when I have a tug. With my helper though, that has never been an issue.

It is 11.oclock in the evening and i have just come back from a training session with the Pups, Fred was put on the Sleeve after the Dogs had done there bit at Obediniece,
He was on the line most of the time again but the last bite was off the line and at a 20m run at the Pakwerker, He caught the sleeve just right and he was taken off the ground by the Pakwerker, all you here from Fred when he has a grip on the sleeve is a faint whine coming from the nose or back of the throat, He has not had the chance yet to Bark at the Hide, but they will i expect when they think he is ready, At home he has a real strong loud Bark i hope it will be the same when he is Barking in the Hide, but time will tell, I was pleased with him tonight
Baby Goran was last on the field, and the Belgium team Captain had hold of a Sack to play with him, He went straight for it and afterwards carried it back 50m to the car and jumped in the car box with it, I gave it back to the fellow and he noticed a few spe cks of blood on the sack. He dsaid Goran was starting to get his adult teeth, so to take him careful for a while

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Mals seem to be easier to get a bark from in a young dog because they never shut up as it is.

We have never been able to get my girl to bark (she barks in her kennel though), but rather she just stares (HARD), leans forward intensely and her teeth chatter and her body seems to vibrate.....is this something that is not desired, would you rather want them to bark?

You know something Steve. Youre in Belgium. Im in North Carolina.
Not to offend any ,such as US Americans, but I would give just about anything to spend a month training dogs to do protection work in Belgium. I just got a feeling that you are training with some real outstanding people. I dont know how long youve been doing it but if you are new to it Id say it wont be long youll be telling all of us how to do it.And Im seriouse Id give anything to be traing dogs in Belgium.

Hello David
I think i am a lucky Guy, to have the help i have over here and the expertise of these fellows, and to be honest i would have messed it up total without this Practical help,
I knew nothing about Schutzund, or the Working German Shepherd Dog, until i Bought Pup Fred 9 months ago, But i came across the Leerburg Site and i have learned a lot from you Guys posting and help i have had from several by Private Mails, and it has bought me on a lot and expanded my practical no how. plus the DVDs i bought from Leerburg have shown me in advance of how to help boththe Pups and ourselves.
I am not a Young Fellow in Fact getting on in Years and at 67 years Old Pups like Fred and Goran is a big challenge starting at that age
But i have always liked a Challenge, and am as Keen as the next man to do the Dogs Justice and of course ourselves
It will be a slow process but a lot of enjoyement on the way, Even if the Dogs or ourselves do not make the grade, they will still be the same Fred and Goran to us

this is added after the above post
For the last two weeks we have had a English Guy over here working his two Dogs, He is going for his ScHh 3 with them on this coming Sunday, He says the Clubs in England are spread about and the knowledge of the Pakwerkers is not so high as in Belgium so he comes over four times a year for two weeks at a time and the trainers who help me, also help him with his Dogs, I will be watching him on Sunday and hope his Dogs do well, Today two more English guys come over to train, i will meet them at the Club on thursday evening

Carol,

The general idea is to want the dog to bark in prey drive so as to train the beginning mechanics and behavior of the bark and hold. Your helper may train this differently, or your dog may be developing, but for the most part you cannot transition to teaching the bark and hold until your dog is barking at prey to get it to move.

Steve,

You are indeed lucky. To have the access to training that you do in Belgium or Germany, and the ability to train virtually every day with experienced helpers makes me very jealous.