Mike Armstrong wrote 11/28/2007 08:55 PM Re: Snakes [Re: Lindsay Janes ] #165475 - 11/28/2007 08:55 PM
Mike Armstrong Webboard User Reg: 08-06-2005 Posts: 615 Loc: San Diego, CA Offline	In Southern California, we have a similar problem - rattlers. There's always a few spotted in my neighborhood each season and I've had 3 in the yard over the years. Each time, the dog alerted me to them. I've taken her to snake avoidance training twice - they recommend an annual "refresher." She remembered! You might inquire if there's anything like that in your area. The training is done with an e-collar and the dog is exposed to the sight, sound and smell. I figured a $70 session was better than a $1K vet bell. I've also installed hardware cloth (with the 1/4" squares) and haven't had any lately. Chicken wire is way too porous. Mike Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. -Mark Twain
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Howard Knauf wrote 11/28/2007 09:02 PM Re: Snakes [Re: Lindsay Janes ] #165484 - 11/28/2007 09:02 PM
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003 Posts: 1555 Loc: Melbourne, Florida Offline	King snakes will, I believe eat moccasins. As do the indigo snake. Sadly, both species have been decimated in this area due to the previous pet trade from years ago, and the construction. Eric, You being a Florida boy, I should have known that you know the difference. Especially in your line of work. Moccasins are nasty critters because they are one of the few snakes that will actually confront, and chase people. I've had to abandon a couple boats because of the dang things. Take away their food and shelter and you should be good to go. Howard http://www.spacecoasttactical.com
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PeggyBayer wrote 11/28/2007 10:12 PM Re: Snakes [Re: Howard Knauf ] #165530 - 11/28/2007 10:12 PM
PeggyBayer Webboard User Reg: 08-14-2006 Posts: 308 Loc: CA Offline	Quote: Howard Knauf Moccasins are nasty critters because they are one of the few snakes that will actually confront, and chase people. I've had to abandon a couple boats because of the dang things. They sure are, we killed two of them this year. One of those suckers came at me, it wanted to get under our trailer and I kept flipping it back with a shovel. It actually looked like it was standing on it's tail as it kept striking at me. I hit that thing back 6 times before it finally stopped coming towards me and I could pass the shovel to my husband so he could kill it. Gave me a good scare - I've heard that geese are very good at keeping snakes away, don't know if they would take on a moccasin though?
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randy allen wrote 11/28/2007 10:42 PM Re: Snakes [Re: PeggyBayer ] #165538 - 11/28/2007 10:42 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	A wrench in the works, Geese would be food for my dog! They could never co-exist. But I don't have to train for that. No snakes for me to worry about. I'm liking the colder climes more and more. And I grew up in the high plains of the west. Get your neighbors used to the sound of a shotgun. Randy Ps. The dogs will love the carcass.........that you don't eat.
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Eric Eschmann wrote 11/29/2007 08:29 AM Re: Snakes [Re: randy allen ] #165587 - 11/29/2007 08:29 AM
Eric Eschmann Webboard User Reg: 06-15-2007 Posts: 162 Loc: Vero Beach, FL Offline	Yes, Moccassions are nasty and aggressive. They are the one snake I really do not like, with the Pygmy Rattler being a close second. Even the Diamond backs will try to avoid people and most large pets, or so I have seen. I would love to teach the dogs snake avoidance. I have read about such classes for SAR dogs, but they are usually held out west. Maybe I'll catch a snake and work on doing it myself, but I don't see that really being successful with whatever snake I may catch. I worked the ditch pretty well with a weed eater yesterday. Maybe between cutting things down and having a constant presence back there I can motivate the snake to go elsewhere. Where this is the first time I've seen it, maybe it was just passing through. Always looking for training avenues close to home. Any suggestions?
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PeggyBayer wrote 11/29/2007 09:09 AM Re: Snakes [Re: Eric Eschmann ] #165597 - 11/29/2007 09:09 AM
PeggyBayer Webboard User Reg: 08-14-2006 Posts: 308 Loc: CA Offline	Here you go, would be nice if this would really work http://www.pestproducts.com/snakeinfo.htm
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Debbie Bruce wrote 11/29/2007 09:30 AM Re: Snakes [Re: PeggyBayer ] #165607 - 11/29/2007 09:30 AM
Debbie Bruce Webboard User Reg: 08-23-2007 Posts: 1196 Loc: Centralia, Missouri Offline	The site says that it repels Copperheads but not the related Cottonmouth.
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Mike Armstrong wrote 11/29/2007 09:38 AM Re: Snakes [Re: Eric Eschmann ] #165612 - 11/29/2007 09:38 AM
Mike Armstrong Webboard User Reg: 08-06-2005 Posts: 615 Loc: San Diego, CA Offline	Quote: Eric Eschmann I would love to teach the dogs snake avoidance. I have read about such classes for SAR dogs, but they are usually held out west. Here's who I used. Maybe he knows of someone in your area. Mike Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. -Mark Twain
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Eric Eschmann wrote 11/29/2007 10:09 AM Re: Snakes [Re: PeggyBayer ] #165617 - 11/29/2007 10:09 AM
Eric Eschmann Webboard User Reg: 06-15-2007 Posts: 162 Loc: Vero Beach, FL Offline	Quote: PeggyBayer Here you go, would be nice if this would really work http://www.pestproducts.com/snakeinfo.htm Interesting that on that web site they mention it had little effect on Cotton Mouths. Too bad Always looking for training avenues close to home. Any suggestions?
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Carol Boche wrote 11/29/2007 10:36 AM Re: Snakes [Re: Eric Eschmann ] #165624 - 11/29/2007 10:36 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: Eric Eschmann  Quote: PeggyBayer Here you go, would be nice if this would really work http://www.pestproducts.com/snakeinfo.htm Interesting that on that web site they mention it had little effect on Cotton Mouths. Too bad That is because cotton mouths are vicious little buggers.....I'll take a rattlesnake any day. At least they try to leave...... Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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