Quote: Jenni Williams

He has been over-vaccinated and fed poor-quality food his entire life, and I do believe this has taken a toll on his health. His teeth looked like seaweed and he was overweight when I got him. I think he was fed to pacify him.

Now I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, but...

I don't like when people say something without actually knowing the facts. How do you know that he was over-vaccinated? Just because you believe in raw diet, doesn't mean that everything else is poor-quality food. The vets always gave him a clean bill of health and he was never considered overweight either. I fed him 3 times a day on a schedule, so I didn't feed him just to pacify him. Also, the only food that controlled his allergies was IVD dry food from the vet's office. He had no problems what so ever with it.

Humans use diets to control their issues, whether their issues are allergies or diabetes or whatever, so the same applied to Stark. His allergies were controlled by a diet food that was found to work for him.

Ps. Jen, I'll fax you the vet papers you wanted as soon as I find them.

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 Quote: jenni williams

He has been over-vaccinated and fed poor-quality food his entire life, and I do believe this has taken a toll on his health. His teeth looked like seaweed and he was overweight when I got him. I think he was fed to pacify him.

Now I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, but...

I don't like when people say something without actually knowing the facts. How do you know that he was over-vaccinated?

Um, was he vaccinated yearly? Or did he have more than a round of puppy shots and one rabies?

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Just because you believe in raw diet, doesn't mean that everything else is poor-quality food.

Didn't say "everything else is poor-quality food" If I don't have the information, I have to go by what I saw-an overweight dog with filthy teeth. Not trying to be nasty, but it's the truth. He looked like your average 6yr old pet dog, which IMO, isn't good enough.

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The vets always gave him a clean bill of health and he was never considered overweight either.

LOL. Sorry, Gene, but I will do a dance of joy the day a vet sees a dog in good shape and doesn't say he's too thin. I give the mailman more credit for understanding good weight on a dog than most vets. I didn't say obese; I said overweight, so relax.

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I fed him 3 times a day on a schedule, so I didn't feed him just to pacify him.

WOW. Maybe that's his food issue; I had never thought that an adult dog would be used to eating THREE times per day!!! I feed teeny pups 3x, then 2x by the time they're a few mos old, and then depending on the breed, once. I wish I'd known this, and I bet Karen and Steve do too! That would be a pertinent piece of info to include, don't you think, Gene?

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Also, the only food that controlled his allergies was IVD dry food from the vet's office. He had no problems what so ever with it.

IMO, and his owner's, just masking symptoms and outbreaks isn't good enough. They want to find the underlying cause and help him truly get healthier.

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Humans use diets to control their issues, whether their issues are allergies or diabetes or whatever, so the same applied to Stark. His allergies were controlled by a diet food that was found to work for him.

This, too, would've been nice to know. We're all just guessing, here, as we have no history on the dog, and my emails to you did not result in the info they asked for.

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Ps. Jen, I'll fax you the vet papers you wanted as soon as I find them.

Can't you just call them and have them fax them to me? Why wait to find them? They would really like to see his history, as apparently, he's had these issues before, unbeknownst to us.

Not trying to be argumentative, Gene, but people asked about Stark, and I answered them with what I have been able to deduce from having him, and talking w/Karen & Steve. I was a bit more delicate, perhaps, when you were on here all the time, as I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but honestly, when I didn't hear from you regarding the allergies and concerns, I thought it unlikely that you'd check the threads, as it appeared you'd simply moved on. Sorry if I offended you, but I have no agenda here. I was trying to be objective and matter-of-fact. Hope all is well w/you guys and the babies.

If it wasn't for Jenni, Stark would be dead !!!!

 Quote: Gene Altman

 Quote: Jenni Williams

He has been over-vaccinated and fed poor-quality food his entire life, and I do believe this has taken a toll on his health. His teeth looked like seaweed and he was overweight when I got him. I think he was fed to pacify him.

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Gene, here's how not-personal those comments were: They describe MOST dogs in this country.

That is an apt description of the average American dog.

JMO.

Thank you, Connie and Marj. Connie is absolutely right; they were general condition statements, not "Gene Altman didn't take care of his dog!" statements.

Gene, if you wish to discuss this further, you have my email. It doesn't really need to take up any more board space. Let's keep the thread about STARK, and how he's doing currently.

 Quote: Gene Altman

His allergies were controlled by a diet food that was found to work for him.

I am lost.....what was the dog eating before? And, can someone PM the link to the other post on this dog? I guess I did not follow it closely or have forgotten some of the details.

http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/155550/page/0/fpart/1

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 Quote: Gene Altman

 Quote: Jenni Williams

He has been over-vaccinated and fed poor-quality food his entire life, and I do believe this has taken a toll on his health. His teeth looked like seaweed and he was overweight when I got him. I think he was fed to pacify him.

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Gene, here's how not-personal those comments were: They describe MOST dogs in this country.

That is an apt description of the average American dog.

JMO.

I understand what you're saying, but in this case Jen was talking about me and Stark.

I understand that this may apply to all or most of the American dogs, but in this case, this thread you were talking about Stark and me. But, whatever, it doesn't matter. Yeah, let's keep between us. Email me if you need anything else.

Dead??? Obviously you haven't been following Stark's story. This was a sarcastic remark by some sarcastic individual and was followed by a sarcastic answer.