That would be awesome if you have one. Preferably wild wolves, not captives.
Jenni,
Dogs do things because its been reinforced. Some dogs may be more motivated by different resources and just because a dog knows something doesn't mean its been reinforced in all situations.
Dear Benjamin: I do not have a shepherd or train for police work but this is a pack issue. From the smallest dog I have ever had to the biggest I have seen this time and time again. IF a dog has something he wants and someone else wants it and it is a lower ranking member of the pack, the dog will usually not release it. I had dogs (5) at once and they all got along great, but no one ever refused to drop or leave something the pack leader wanted, and if they did, they were very sorry they did. It was considered a direct affront to the leadership of the alpha. That is why we must be the alpha the top dog, or else our dogs will not want to give us what they have placed value on. I haven't read studies but have seem it lived out right before my eyes in the 20 years I have had dogs, even pet dogs. Rebellion is in direct response to your position in their dog minds.
That has been my experience.
God bless you
I had dogs (5) at once and they all got along great, but no one ever refused to drop or leave something the pack leader wanted, and if they did, they were very sorry they did.
I think Ed is right.
First off if anyone knows of any good studies of wild wolves that support pack theory then I'd like to read them. I don't want to discount anyone's experience but anecdotal evidence is never the best way to support an argument.
Sharon, what you described I see as good, old fashioned operant conditioning. Your pack was held together because your alpha did not hesitate to use force to do so. It seems to me that the other "pack members" learned to drop the toy etc. and not that this was an instinctual desire to appease the leader. I understand that a lot of this semantics but I just have a hard time believing that the pack structure is instinctual and not a result of the dog with the most weapons, quickest to aggress, most self confidence (or combination there of) imposing his will by force.
Um, are you seriously saying that you can't tell the difference between animals with STRONG pack drives like dogs versus animals with NO pack drive like cats?
Not instinctive?
Try raising & training a hundred puppies and a hundred kittens the exact same way (condition them all you want, use force as needed) and let us know if you notice a difference in cooperation and willingness to follow your lead between the two species.
I hope I'm just misunderstanding you and that you're referring to whether or not pack drive comes into play in a very specific context and that you aren't actually questioning the fact that canids have a strong instinctive pack drive hardwired into their genetics
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