Um...can someone explain to me why this dog has TWO e collars on at the same time??? Good Lord! Is this a common thing in dog training? I'm confused. Is it my imagination or is the dog missing some teeth?

I have seen dogs at workshops that are so driven to do bite work that they have two on the neck like that and one around the belly.
These dogs had "out" issues and they would also break from their handler in order to go after the helper....

Not sure if this is why Kadi has two on the dog, as it could be some other training issue. Unless it is because it makes for AWESOME pictures. ha ha

As far as missing teeth, he seems to have one canine that is damaged (I did not look that close).
This is a fairly normal thing when you have a dog that looks to be a hard hitting monster like that one

But he could have broken it while doing something else as well.....

 Quote: carol boche

I have seen dogs at workshops that are so driven to do bite work that they have two on the neck like that and one around the belly.
These dogs had "out" issues and they would also break from their handler in order to go after the helper....

Ai Yi Yi....

Is this to say that they are so driven that they feel the need to self-satisfy? And how can you say that a dog like this has "good nerves?"

Before you all jump on me and say I don't know a damn thing, let me tell you, you are right. But I do know that I don't want to strap on three ecollars to correct my dog...ever!



P.S. Carol, no offence, my comments are not directed at you.

No offense taken....I was a bit taken aback when I first saw it as well.
I do not think it has to do anything with nerves as far as the dogs I was watching. They were fine as far as that goes, I think it was more of a young dog, wants to work or an older dog who has a handler that has allowed some "cheating" and then needs to fix it.

I also think they did not hit all three collars at once....they would hit the neck collar and then if the dog ignored it they would hit the belly band. So it was not like the dog was getting fried.

However, from what I have been told when asking questions, some dogs learn to work through the neck collar, regardless of stim level so a different spot is needed. Not a nerve issue but rather just having a "hard" dog that likes to work.

 Quote: Rick Miller

But I do know that I don't want to strap on three ecollars to correct my dog...ever!

Oh Lord, me either!! But, to be fair I have never worked with a dog that came close to that level and one thing I have learned in training is that it's entirely possible to firmly believe you're against something until you find a dog that changes your perspective in a big way!

I'm not saying right or wrong on this subject. I just hope to God if I ever do have to deal with a dog like that that I have an open mind!

There are two units on one collar, both are working off the same remote. IMO this gives a more consistent amount of stim, with the collars not having to be on quite as tight, because there are more contacts. With just one unit on the collar, sometimes it would have more contact with the skin then others, unless I strap it really snug, and the dog recieves different stims even though the setting doesn't change. The level of correction the dog recieves is based on how high the dial is turned, not wether there are one or two units on the collar. I have a dog who I almost never use the collar on, but she still wears the two unit one. I like that with the two collars the vibrate is also more noticable when the dog is working.

People that use multiple collars on the dog are not using them all at the same time. Dogs trained this way understand that each location means something different. One collar stim might mean go foward. Another means bite, another means out, or to turn left or right, etc. Since the stim amount can be done very low, it can be as low as a 'nudge'. I don't train with this level of finesse with the collar, but do know some people that do.

Some people prefer the waist collar over the neck collar because it doesn't interfere with the dogs breathing. And some dogs will just clamp down and "bear" a collar correction, where as a waist or tail collar will make them let go to turn around and look at where the correction is coming from.

Having 2 e-collars on a single collar allows the unit to make good contact with a much looser collar. This lets the dog breath easier and you can train more than 1 or 2 bites without the dog getting exhausted. It's not necessarily about increasing the level of correction.

Kadi,
You said it better!

 Quote: kadi_thingvall

There are two units on one collar, both are working off the same remote. IMO this gives a more consistent amount of stim, with the collars not having to be on quite as tight, because there are more contacts. With just one unit on the collar, sometimes it would have more contact with the skin then others, unless I strap it really snug, and the dog recieves different stims even though the setting doesn't change. The level of correction the dog recieves is based on how high the dial is turned, not wether there are one or two units on the collar. I have a dog who I almost never use the collar on, but she still wears the two unit one. I like that with the two collars the vibrate is also more noticable when the dog is working.

People that use multiple collars on the dog are not using them all at the same time. Dogs trained this way understand that each location means something different. One collar stim might mean go foward. Another means bite, another means out, or to turn left or right, etc. Since the stim amount can be done very low, it can be as low as a 'nudge'. I don't train with this level of finesse with the collar, but do know some people that do.

Some people prefer the waist collar over the neck collar because it doesn't interfere with the dogs breathing. And some dogs will just clamp down and "bear" a collar correction, where as a waist or tail collar will make them let go to turn around and look at where the correction is coming from.

So what I was told, may be true, but it is more likely a low level, this means this type of situation....COOL
I learned something new today...thank you Kadi.

I'm late getting to this, glad to see you here Kadi!