Yes, she slept on my lap, while riding in the car, and peed, that is how i know it does happen when she is sleeping. i got a sample yesterday and now i am just waiting for the results. thanks everyone for your replies.

It turns out she does have bacteria, and she is on antiboitics, however, she is still having the wetting problem. i read in one of my books about that being a hormonal problem. but i couldn't find anything else on the subject. anyone else aware of such a thing? any information would be much appreciated. she does have her vet appointment this saturday.

It will take some time for the antibiotics to kick in.

The hormonal problem you speak of is usually seen in spayed females. With each heat cycle the walls of the uterus thicken and scar a bit from the estrogen in the system. With a spayed female this doesn't occur so the females are more likely to "leak". I would assume it could be possible for the same thing to be going on in a puppy, but I would not think hormone therapy would be high on my list since mother nature will fix the problem in a few months anyway.

My older dog has to have the estrogen therapy to keep from soaking herself when sleeping. To male dogs she smells like a bitch in heat 24/7. It is not fun.

so will the antiboitics work? and what do you mean it when you say that mother nature will take care of it in a few months? i am not going to breed her. i plan to have her spayed. and also what is homonal therapy you speak of?

I don't know if the antibiotics will cure your dog. They will at least get rid of the bacteria. That alone can take up to 2 weeks.

What I meant about it curing itself is that the same thing will happen to your puppy's uterus when she has her first heat cycle. In this case I strongly recommend NOT spaying her before she has had at least ONE if not two heat cycles. If you spay before she has her first heat this will almost always continue on through her life. You do not have to breed, just let her mature enough that she will stop the leaking. Again there are no guarantees that it WILL stop either way, but there are more spayed leakers than un-spayed leakers.

The Estrogen therapy(stibestrol) is a pill cocktail of sorts that the vet has to make for my dog. It is to replace the hormones that would have been there had she not already been spayed. This is no different than a woman having a hysterectomy. You take out the girl parts and things run amok.

well now i have serious trouble, to sum it up. my pup gsd still has the leaking problem and it is happening lots now, awake and asleep. usually she will be just sitting and laying down and she leaks without even knowing it. she has wet legs and leaves a wet spot, and this is happening many times a day and even a night. and so the vet has done another urine test and it came out negative, cause antibotics have helped i am sure. and now they are saying she could have a bad kidney or that one of them did not connect to her bladder in which case instead connected to her vulva area. so i have asked again if this wasn't just a puppy thing and that she will out grow it. like the submisive and exciteably peeing. and they said nope, didn't beleive so. and than i mentioned the hormonal thing and they didn't even consider that an option either. so now they want to do lots of expensive testing. i have decided to have the blood work done. vets don't seem to understand dog behavior and rather do things scienticfully instead. which is expensive. plus they said there really isn't much to be done about it, if it is one of the kidney problems. so i am at a lost. anyone have any other similiar problems with leakage. the details and ideas/suggestions?

Well I have never had that problem but I would for sure take her right back to the breeder and get a replacment pup. I would think that falls under "serious health issues" clause in most sales contracts.

I would not waste my time if even the vet says..."Well lets spend a lot of your money and then be able to do nothing anyway".

I'm real sorry about my advise... I know it's hard to hear.

I know a lady that has a female Dobe and had the similar problem. She started leaking urine at about 10 weeks of age. She didn't do it in her sleep though, only after peeing. She took her to the vet and they did a urine sample and she did have a bacteria and was treated with antibiotics. However that did not clear up the problem, so she went back and got another urine test done plus bloodwork.

Turned out she had some kind of crystals in her urine and her white blood cell count was very low. She was treated (I'm not sure what was given to her) and the vet put her on a special diet for 6 weeks to clear up the crystals from her urine. That seemed to clear up her problem.

However, she got her spayed after her first heat cycle and she started to drip urine again. Right now she's on hormone therapy and she most likely will be for the rest of her life, and she still drips here and there. The condition that you were refering to in your last post is an ectopic uriner. The way to see if that's the problem is to do an x-ray. $$$$$

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well that is why i thought the blood work would be a good idea, maybe find something that is cureable. but yes that other test is what they want to do also. big $$$. and i am not willing to do that, IF there probably can't fix it anyway, IF there is even something that seriously wrong. i still believe that a 3 1/2 month old pup may/maybe not just be having trouble with the bladder control or something. her breeder has no more pups and is not expecting any more breeding til late next year. as is her mother was only 1 year old. could that have something to do with it? just curious? otherwise this pup is very intellect and healthy in all other areas. and she does have a good temperment. like i said the only problem i am having (besides this) is the bonding with my older gsd.

The mother of this pup was to young to be having puppies.. period. GSD's have a slew of health problems to begin with and they should NOT be bred before AT LEAST having their hips OFA'D which can not happen until 24 mo of age.

Is the mothers age the reason your pup is leaking? No, more likely than not it is the result of buying a dog from an inexperienced breeder. I am with Lonny, return the dog. So what this breeder won't have another for a year. There are TOO MANY people breeding GSD's for that to be a consideration. Get a healthy pup from certified parents and your odds are much better that your pup will also be healthy.