Daniel Lampe wrote 03/29/2002 07:04 PM Re: Let us start training my nine weeks old GSD [Re: Leo Mac ] #256 - 03/29/2002 07:04 PM
Daniel Lampe Webboard User Reg: 03-01-2002 Posts: 63 Loc: Offline	this brings up a topic that interests me, I also have heard of "trainers" not wanting to socialize puppies blah blah blah, but here is my question: I have a 5 month female GSD(tons of prey, nothing seems to scare her) that I want to train with my daughter in obedience(no great aspirations), We have 50 acres, 10 of which is fenced in around the house, which the kids and puppy have free range of. I want the puppy when it gets older to guard the kids, is the area to large for the dog to develop a sense of protection for it, or will it naturally guard the kids it is around ALL the time? is there anything I can do to encourage protection in a young pup?
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Chuck Fantasia wrote 03/30/2002 08:43 AM Re: Let us start training my nine weeks old GSD [Re: Leo Mac ] #257 - 03/30/2002 08:43 AM
Chuck Fantasia Moderator Reg: 08-08-2001 Posts: 1174 Loc: NJ Offline	dj, There are always exceptions to any rule, but for the most part GSD's are generaly protective of home and family. Obviously that dosen't mean that all GSD's can be serious personal protection dogs. Most people just need a dog that will bark at strangers, which will usually be enough to ward off undesirable characters. Your post stated that you have "nothing serious" planned for her. Chances are your dog will bond well with you and your kids and will be enough of a deterant. I believe that no matter what your aspirations are for the dog, she needs to be brought up well socialized and well adjusted. Regardless of all of this, Vince's advice also applies. Relax and let the puppy be a puppy. You will start to see her tendencies and can work off of that. Mackie, Pups are generally still refered to as "puppies" until they are 18 months old and sometimes 2 years old. This is because they are not physically mature and certainly not mentally mature until this age.
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Chuck Fantasia wrote 03/30/2002 08:49 AM Re: Let us start training my nine weeks old GSD [Re: Leo Mac ] #258 - 03/30/2002 08:49 AM
Chuck Fantasia Moderator Reg: 08-08-2001 Posts: 1174 Loc: NJ Offline	dj, My apologies...I mis-quoted you. You stated that you had "no great aspirations" for her not "nothing serious". I'll go back to sleep now.LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Daniel Lampe wrote 03/30/2002 09:08 AM Re: Let us start training my nine weeks old GSD [Re: Leo Mac ] #259 - 03/30/2002 09:08 AM
Daniel Lampe Webboard User Reg: 03-01-2002 Posts: 63 Loc: Offline	Thanks for the advice, I know she is still a puppy, but having read things on this site about prey drive and how it needs encouraged before the dog is an adult to maxamize its genetic potential, I was just hoping that there might be some positive ways of maximizing the "guard" drive (if there is such a drive), which would need to be addressed before adulthood. maybe my post sounded like I was a week or 2 from table training her
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Lonny B. wrote 03/30/2002 09:09 AM Re: Let us start training my nine weeks old GSD [Re: Leo Mac ] #260 - 03/30/2002 09:09 AM
Lonny B. Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2001 Posts: 704 Loc: Offline	dj, My cousin has a 30 Acre farm, he has a rott female that patrols his property and the 50 acre farm next door, you cannot walk on either land without passing her "may take her a while to get to you but she does", she protects the cows. I would say 10 acres is nothing for your shepherd. Remember they were ment to cover great distance herding livestock, so I would say even a 5 to 10 mile radius would not be unheard of as far as territory goes. I would begin doing the prey/puppy bite work with your pup as normal, and walk the fence with her a couple times a day, so she will understand this is her area and it is to be patroled. Thank god for this edit button! I would also say you really can't work on "Guard" drive untill she is a year or more, she needs to mature. My pup at 6 months is just starting to show defense, but I don't work it besides just encourging the bark at the front door, never during training. Leute mögen Hunde, aber Leute LIEBEN ausgebildete Hunde!
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Chuck Fantasia wrote 03/30/2002 09:16 AM Re: Let us start training my nine weeks old GSD [Re: Leo Mac ] #261 - 03/30/2002 09:16 AM
Chuck Fantasia Moderator Reg: 08-08-2001 Posts: 1174 Loc: NJ Offline	Somehow I forgot to comment on the 10 acre part. No I do not think this is too big of an area.
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Vince P. wrote 03/30/2002 09:16 AM Re: Let us start training my nine weeks old GSD [Re: Leo Mac ] #262 - 03/30/2002 09:16 AM
Vince P. Webboard User Reg: 07-13-2001 Posts: 1050 Loc: NJ Offline	Dj: Being protective is a genetic factor. The dog either has it or not. Isolating the dog from people will just make the dog dangerous.
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Chuck Fantasia wrote 03/30/2002 09:19 AM Re: Let us start training my nine weeks old GSD [Re: Leo Mac ] #263 - 03/30/2002 09:19 AM
Chuck Fantasia Moderator Reg: 08-08-2001 Posts: 1174 Loc: NJ Offline	Vince, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Oh...sorry. That was a serious post.LOL
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Daniel Lampe wrote 03/30/2002 09:39 AM Re: Let us start training my nine weeks old GSD [Re: Leo Mac ] #264 - 03/30/2002 09:39 AM
Daniel Lampe Webboard User Reg: 03-01-2002 Posts: 63 Loc: Offline	vince, I was in know way advocating non socialization of a puppy... also "guard is a genetic thing", isnt prey also, but you can maximize or minimize it within the genetic parameters. thanks all for your help...
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milt ebner wrote 03/30/2002 09:49 AM Re: Let us start training my nine weeks old GSD [Re: Leo Mac ] #265 - 03/30/2002 09:49 AM
milt ebner Webboard User Reg: 07-18-2001 Posts: 369 Loc: Offline	DJ, this is just my opinion a dog is either guarding or is not. What is maximizing guarding? If that is what you are looking for then its a whole new ball game. Personal protection training the right dog for the job etc. Just be carefull because kids have friends.
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