This has been circulating the toy dog circle for awhile now. Mainly due to panicing toy dog breeders who have done paper with holding for years.

I guess I just don't see the problem as anything more than times change, change with them, change the rules, or find another game to be in. My solution to this is permanently identify my puppies before placing them and turn in their AKC paperwork with limited registration myself with that ID on it. A friend of mine has decided that she will alter all of her puppies before placement, I have decided that for now I'm not willing to go that far as I think spaying and neutering and at what time should be a choice that a new owner gets to make about their dog no matter what it says on the paperwork.

We can blame AKC until we're blue in the face but this is a monster that breeders, byb, and puppy mills have created. In reality what can we actually tell them we'll do if they don't correct the issue?

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We can blame AKC until we're blue in the face but this is a monster that breeders, byb, and puppy mills have created. In reality what can we actually tell them we'll do if they don't correct the issue?

Create a responsible registry? But, in reality, probably nothing. There is money to be made and they don't care. Since they have the history of the lines registered with them, I think it's irresponsible on their part to register dogs that have been produced using methods that are detrimental to a breed such as inbreeding or traits that have secondary effects (they want the sloping back on the GSD, and a secondary effect of this is hip dysplasia). Or, if the dog is a working dog, they don't look at certifications or any of that stuff. So now you have supposed "hunting dogs" running around at shows that won't even get their feet wet and won't retrieve.

Like I said earlier, everyone here knows the difference between working and show lines, and this isn't a problem that people should have to deal with. It's not AKC's fault, it's the fault of the breeders out there, but the AKC contributes to the problem by being in possession of data that can prove irresponsible breeding practices, and they just don't use it. They'd rather just take the money.

I'm definitely no expert on AKC and breeding practices, so if I'm dead wrong, please pick this post apart and tell me I'm an idiot. But a good friend of mine has been in the dog show scene for many years (and regularly takes 1st and best-in-show titles with his terrier), and he tells me these same things.

We're definitely better off with the AKC than without, but a few changes could make a world of difference.

My chi mix bruiser is registered.
I had asked the question a few months ago.
Well we registered him.
Now 12 pounds and only 4 months later. We know for sure he is not a chi. But I was able to register him.
He will max out about 15 to 20 pounds.I am glad I love him and not wanting a small dog. He is registered as being able to breed. I would never of course he is fixed also.

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My chi mix bruiser is registered.
I had asked the question a few months ago.
Well we registered him.
Now 12 pounds and only 4 months later. We know for sure he is not a chi. But I was able to register him.
He will max out about 15 to 20 pounds.I am glad I love him and not wanting a small dog. He is registered as being able to breed. I would never of course he is fixed also.

Am I correct that you can now reg a dog with full reg with AKC with no other paperwork? In other words if I have a dog that looks like a Doberman, then can I reg him as a Doberman?

They have that ILP registration thats not full registration but allows you to participate in AKC events. I think there's something about Identifying the dog with which breed it looks most like, but it's not full purebreed registration.

hi, in cape town registering your dog is not seen as an important issue,in my opinion only 10% of dog owners register their dogs, probably why their are so many mutts and byb out their. there is curently a law(not passed yet) which limits pet ownership to 2 pets,and they have to be spayed. one the whole, when i look in the classifieds i am shocked to see the breeders adverts eg. this weekend...professionally bred gsd/bull mastiff mix 1000 rands(150dollars)!

Bruisers breeder gave me all the papers and I did what I was told filed his paper work over the internet.

I think his dad is not his dad.
I called the breeder as bruiser is 6 months old and already 13 pounds.

He is defently a mutt.
I won't breed him anyway.
He is fixed but He is not a pure bred. I did not know that when I did register him.
The main reson I did it was because everyone told me its was a good idea for identafication if he was ever lost or stolen. No other reason.

If that makes sense I did not even know how to register him tell I asked.
I have always owned mutts


So when I got him for my birthday he was suposed to be full blooded. But now that he is so big we know he is not full blood. The breeder and his paper work say the father is a chi but I don't think so.

If Bruiser is registered with the AKC (full registration) then the breeder had to register the litter first. This could mean the breeder filed false papers and, if you care about the truth, you should file a report with the AKC. They may do nothing but they may investigate and the breeder could lose AKC privileges and all dogs from that litter would lose their registrations.

I was thinking about trying to register Ivan, just to see if they would let me. Not that it means anything to me at all, but because I am curious exactly how downhill they have come. Just a thought... Dunno, maybe a bad idea.