Connie,
i wouldnt think to argue with all that. i am feeling awfully negative toward anything veterinary right now...

i cancelled the allergy test (mailed off but cancell-able), since after reading the consumer complaints it is obviously a food intolerance & not an allergy. i dont believe for one minute that Canidae added *only* those innocent ingreds. something else HAD to have been added. jonah was VIOLENTLY barfing, at one point it got to be over and over and over. i feel SO BAD.
they are completing the barium study since he already ingested the barium and just in case this severe reaction hasnt CAUSED an "ineseption"?? sp??
i will feed him the bland food for a week, then decide what i can feed that is comparable in prce to the ALS.
i am sure this whole deal will have cost me about $350.
thx for you information !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello everyone, I'm trying to write my first post here:>

Wow, it seems that the 'new and improved' Canidae formula is equally crappy everywhere.. People here in Lithuania are switching it to smth else too. I'd really support the food intolerance, not allergy, idea, for the weird mix of "rice, peas, potatoes, oatmeal, barley" doesn't look healthy at all, just cheap. What a shame, Canidae ALS used to be my favourite.

Btw, Jennifer, you wrote that you feed a mix of RAW and kibble: what do you think about the opinions, that such feeding can eventually lead to gastritis?
From what I've heard, raw meat and bones are digested in 4-6 hours and need very high acidity and for kibble it takes up to 16h and significantly lower acidity.. so feeding a mix of this and that means constant acidity chaos in the stomach.
My 2 year old GSD, when fed kibble&natural food, also used to vomit out some yellow foamy stuff from time to time, but since switching to RAW it now happens rarely. Maybe it's a coincidence, but still, I'm really concerned about acidity problems and gastritis, so would be really nice to hear your opinions
Thanks!

Hi, Egle, Welcome to the board!

I don't like mixing raw and kibble, either, for a couple of reasons. However, this dog had been on the two, I believe separated by meals, for some time with no problem until the formula change.

In fact, I was just thinking more about this.

Jennifer, I'd probably seal up and store this bag of food along with lot #, receipt, etc., for possible testing.

Jennifer, I have used Innova in the past and liked it. It is pricier than Canidae though.

http://www.innovapet.com/product_line.asp?id=1

PS, you are feeding raw seperately from the kibble, right?

hi Lynne,
i used to feed that before i switched to Canidae. its on my list to compare when i get to the petfood store on Friday--ingreds vs price etc. i LOVE that food.
i am also considering Petcurean Go Natural Grain free--?? any thoughts or exp w/that food on here?

meanwhile, Jonah is getting only the boiled chkn/rice. he didnt stop barfing till that night about 3am since the jackass vet didnt send him home on anything. (my husb picked him up and didnt ask).. the I/D will be a donation to the HS...
he is doing ok now, just passing some FIERCE gas today at wk, i am almost choking to death. but he feels better, just gets tired fast. he lost about 10 pounds.
i will be able to get a refund on the 44# bag of Canidae, frm the store. he is calling the rep to see if they are taking this stuff seriously.
i will pick a new food and continue w/50% raw and 50% kibble. yes, he gets a leg quarter for his lunch meal every day. and at breakfast & dinner he gets kibble w/a bit of canned meat, yogurt and his supplements (ester C, fish oil).

thx.

jen

hi---yes, the raw and kbble were fed in separate meals. the pet store owner has asked me top bring the food in and if the rep wont send it off for testing HE will.

i never knew that about the acidity, but i was feedling it separately all along except for a handful of hamb or turk mixed in every now and then. BUT--since you've shared this great info--i wont do that again. thanks!!!!

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... meanwhile, Jonah is getting only the boiled chkn/rice. he didnt stop barfing till that night about 3am .... just passing some FIERCE gas today at wk, i am almost choking to death. but he feels better, just gets tired fast. he lost about 10 pounds.

1. Is the diarrhea over? Does he have formed poop yet?

2. If indeed his poops are improving, I would not change anything until I had a several-days-history of perfect poops with this poor guy's inflamed gut. And then I would be snail-slow about re-introducing regular food, watching poop after each item.

If the poops improve, but slowly, I can PM you the calcium supplement amounts he needs while he is off bones (and kibble).

He is not a puppy, right? An adult can go several days on that kind of imbalance.

hi Connie,
his poops are just *barely* forming. he will be on the boiled food for at LEAST a week. and also i am adding (come Friday, that is) some good herbal/homeopathic gut soothing stuff (slippery elm for one)and he IS getting benebac probiotics already.

he is 7.5 months & 55#. yes, plz do let me knwo about calcium supp. i have eliminated all his supplements and the yogurt too. and he is RAVENOUS. almost shaking he tries to eat so fast. it's pathetic. he is getting about 5 meals of the boiled stuff and they are in smaller amts so as not to overload his gut.

i found a good site all about pet food and it lists rice bran as potentially causing BAD vomiting/diahreah in dogs...hmmm. (as well as a GREAT article on "the Science Diet Scam"!!)

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/

thx.

Maybe you could try boiling the rice longer, until you can't separate a single grain in the mass.. Works like 'glue' to the guts.
I hope your vet knows what he's doing and your dog gets better soon, good luck!

the link is very useful, thanks

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Maybe you could try boiling the rice longer, until you can't separate a single grain in the mass..

Absolutely!

It should be soupy and overcooked, like gruel.