Amber Morgan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006
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I am not a LEO, but I have been told by LEO trainers that unless you can be 100% positive that your dog won't false indicate (or indicate on an older scent that yields nothing) then a passive alert is better than an active one like scratching to be on the safe side. I was also told that, even if there is dope, scratching can potentially cause your dog to rip into the dope and cause even more problems. Again, not an LEO...just parroting what I have heard.
Amber - I know, a lot of folks prefer the passive alert. I've heard valid arguments from LEOs both ways. Thankfully, it's nothing I have to personally worry about.
I seriously would recommend Randy Hare's detection training DVDs to anybody interested in any type of detection training.
Quote Pamela Reid, PhD and Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist (author of Excel-erated Learning! Explaining How Dogs Learn and How Best to Teach Them) on her opinion of Randy's DVDs:
"This is a must-see for ALL trainers (not just those in detection work) interested in developing scientifically-based training programs that make sense for dogs."
Amber no one, no matter the method, can be “100% positive that your dog won’t false indicate”. There is a place for a passive alert e.g., explosive detection, but IMO narcotic detection is not one of them. The handlers’ use of the dog’s body language is greatly reduced in a passive alert. Regarding destruction of property, a good handler can stop the dog just before it goes into active alert thereby negating damage. When a dog is trained for the passive alert and becomes confused many times the dog will sit to relieve that confusion and the sit in most instances will not, in the specificity needed, give the handler the exact location of the narcotic.
In training if you reward away from the source on a continuing basis the dog will begin looking back for the reward and if continued, leave the source looking for its reward.
Amber Morgan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006
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Quote: norman epstein
Amber no one, no matter the method, can be “100% positive that your dog won’t false indicate.
Yes, this is why I was told that a passive alert is often preferred.
I'm confused about what you wrote and am interested in what you're saying so if you could elaborate a bit? If the handler has to stop the dog before it goes into an active alert, then what's the point of using the active alert if you have to prevent them from alerting?
And if you're saying that you can cue in on the dog's body language before the alert, then wouldn't you be able to do the same thing before any alert, passive or active?
Also, if the dog is confused then what would the dog do differently if he was trained for an active alert vs. a passive? If the dog is confused, he's confused right? Or are you saying that the dog is more likely to "give up" or false indicate if their alert is a sit?
And finally, are there other commonly used active alerts besides scratching? Sorry if these are obvious questions, but again...just trying to learn more.
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