 Re: Stepping over dog?
[Re: Scott Garrett ]
#234591 - 04/02/2009 06:22 PM |
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If my dog is laying someplace I told him to lay (stay, or place command, or when in the only spots they're allowed to lay in the bedroom) I expect them to stay laying down. Anywhere else I tell them "excuse me" and expect them to get up. I specifically practice stays with me moving around and over them to help with the differentiation. "Excuse me" is a command and not something I want to be an automated behavior. A dog getting up while you're halfway over is never good when you have big dogs.
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[Re: Denise Skidmore ]
#234598 - 04/02/2009 07:25 PM |
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I also expect my dog to do what I say all the time. And, use this as a distraction when training and proofing a long stay in the down, sit and stand positions. For example, when heeling (in a park), I would tell the dog to stop (she is then doing a standing stay) while I continue on. At this point, I expect her not to move no matter what I do. I pull her leash, clap my hands, jump up and down, and step over her side to side, nose to tail, tail to nose etc. She does not move no matter what I do. In our home when I step over her and say stay, she does. It has never affected her respect for me as pack leader.
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#234599 - 04/02/2009 07:28 PM |
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Denise and Mary, thanks for these posts.
They give a new perspective.
I'm going to work on the stay and the excuse me commands. I love them.
Thanks.
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[Re: Denise Skidmore ]
#234603 - 04/02/2009 07:45 PM |
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If my dog is laying someplace I told him to lay (stay, or place command, or when in the only spots they're allowed to lay in the bedroom) I expect them to stay laying down. Anywhere else I tell them "excuse me" and expect them to get up. I specifically practice stays with me moving around and over them to help with the differentiation. "Excuse me" is a command and not something I want to be an automated behavior. A dog getting up while you're halfway over is never good when you have big dogs.
This is a good point (for all sizes!). I need them to do what I want them to do, and not choose on their own, and Denise has made the reason very clear.
I need to work on that. I need to do that kind of "stay" work, starting immediately.
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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#234646 - 04/03/2009 01:28 AM |
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I step over Hana all the time. Whenever I sit on the couch (with my feet on the coffee table) she lays directly under my legs. When I get up I always step over her (if not on her). I don't think it effects the pact leader role at all. She is always more than willing to obey my commands.
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[Re: Scott Garrett ]
#234669 - 04/03/2009 10:07 AM |
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Reading this thread makes me wonder something....
If standing still over a dog shows dominance for the human or other dog and the one below is the submissive one - then why not just step over, stop for a few seconds, and then continue on?
Or am I just whacked?
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[Re: Peter Marek ]
#234685 - 04/03/2009 11:03 AM |
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Stay has been an implied command with both sit and down for at least 10 years with this dog, so I'm pretty confident that he isn't going to suddenly decide to bolt. 
I'm more concerned with true alpha dog behavior, not so much training the dogs to down/stay. Though you guys do have excellent points. My first family dog was a collie way back when I was 5. I was trying to help my mom catch her for a bath when she up-ended me face first into the ground. Lesson learned very early.
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[Re: Peter Marek ]
#234703 - 04/03/2009 01:15 PM |
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I can see height being used as an alpha behaviour - sort of like the dog who t's off is 'on top', though I'm not saying they're the same - but I think there are so many opportunities for one to be taller than the other when dominance isn't involved, and it's just a happenstance of circumstance. I mean, Luc is ALWAYS taller than Neb, but he isn't dominant
I honestly think with this issue, that there could be dominance issues in the 'too rude to move' way, but - I really think it's situation specific. I don't think this is something where a hard and fast rule works. JMO though.
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#234705 - 04/03/2009 02:12 PM |
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I will sometimes make tucker move (although I do hate to wake him up when he's sleeping, i think that's mean!)
but he generally wakes up & moves when he hears me coming anyway.
Now, if he was the type of dog that was trying to test me every once in awhile by grumbling or growling when I asked him to move, then i would definately change my routine and enforce that particular rule for him each & every time.
But he knows where he stands, so i let sleeping dogs lie!
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[Re: Wendy Lefebvre ]
#234712 - 04/03/2009 03:20 PM |
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I think you guys are focusing too much on my dog and not enough on the actual question I'm asking.
Does an alpha make lower ranking pack members move or does he step over them, say on the way out of the main entrance to the den/dog house?
I trust the information the people of this site provide, which is why I'm asking. I want to double check to see if what I learned years ago was correct or if this has been ruled out as unnecessary...like a rolling a dog over and holding its throat to establish dominance.
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