I just wanted to add that separation is the really crucial point to dealing with this problem.

It is only with separation, close management and serious pack structure work that we are even making any progress having ours back in the same room and this is after two months of total separation with only one of the two males out at a time and our oldest and only female free to do as she pleases.

It is a slow and sometimes painful process trying to fix the problem, but well worth it!!

Thank you very much, This gives me hope. I would have never guessed that I could love my dogs to death.

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If I have them apart when they do get together they will want to fight morewith all the pent up energy?

The dogs will not get together, because you will keep them separated with dog crates. All the time. You are going to keep them separate. These dogs do not get along, and it will get worse as the Shepherd gets older. He has just hit that age where he is going to try and dominate the other dogs in the house.

This is why they are fighting. YOU are the Shepherd's possession, that he is guarding from the other dog. (by the way, you need to be seen as leader, not possession, and right now you are NOT the leader). Your room is his room, and he (the dog) is deciding who gets to go in and who doesn't (this should be your call). He fights on walks because the Samoyed gets in his space, and as leader-wannabe is is not tolerating it. The Samoyed sounds like he is existing leader and will fight the Shepherd who is trying to oust him.

The dogs are to be kept separate. This is the only way to prevent fights until you are the pack leader. This DVD: http://leerburg.com/308.htm will show you how to do it, but you need to apply the information.

I also have a dog pack (four dogs) and wouldn't dream of letting them all run around together deciding which is going to be dominant that day.

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love my dogs to death

If they were human and motivated by the same things as us and had the same emotional basis as us - then no. But the real key here is to understand that they are NOT human and we need to treat them the way they need and want to be treated.

It's funny, in the beginning it just doesn't "feel" right - but then when you see how well adjusted they are - you "know" it's right.

I think I am getting it. Many thanks. Great information and looking forward to more.
Kind Regards, Jodie

Wanted to add that the fearful dog who has been babied -- the biggest relief from fear he is ever going to get is the new perception that the pack leader position is not vacant and that there is someone unswervingly, absolutely in charge.