Shawn Reed Webboard User Reg: 04-15-2009
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Here's another technique that may or may not work. Pretend to eat some of the dogs food before you put it down. Just smack your lips a bit and make chomping noises. Or actually eat a cracker over the bowl. While I don't think it's important for the "leader" to eat first...it is important to telegraph to the dog that the food belongs to YOU. But as a benevolent leader, you're willing to share your food with them.
Good point, also after you give the release command that's it. Let them eat b/c a pack leader in the wild eats his fill and then lets the rest of the pack eat. He doesn't come back and kick them out of the feast.
I'm in agreement with Peter and Connie. When you feed doesn't matter. My dogs actually eat dinner before me. And they eat breakfast (I don't) and I eat lunch (they don't).
But they sit at attention looking at me (not the food) when the food bowls are put down. It's a game we all enjoy. Start with a short wait before giving the release to eat. Then start making it more challenging, to proof the behavior. Wait longer...say other things to the dogs, but not the release word "...boy, that looks like some good food there...you sure are a good boy to look at me..." or even turn your back or walk to the other side of the room before returning to release. Any break, and the food bowl is picked up and we start again.
Here's another technique that may or may not work. Pretend to eat some of the dogs food before you put it down. Just smack your lips a bit and make chomping noises. Or actually eat a cracker over the bowl. While I don't think it's important for the "leader" to eat first...it is important to telegraph to the dog that the food belongs to YOU. But as a benevolent leader, you're willing to share your food with them.
I do both of those and they seem to work well.
For the "eating" part I pretend to grab and eat two bites. I move the bowl just over the field of their view when I grab and then move it back so they can see me chewing.
Rasta sits and looks at me until I say "eat". I can walk across the room and he'll just sit there. With Duke, I'm having him down before he eats for the submissive position because shows a lot of dominant tendencies. We're working on a calm down before the release. He's up to 4-5 seconds now.
While I don't think it's important for the "leader" to eat first...it is important to telegraph to the dog that the food belongs to YOU. But as a benevolent leader, you're willing to share your food with them.
You don't think that giving the dog the food is sufficient?
They see that you are providing it, it smells like you because you prepared it, you put the bowl on the ground, etc... isn't that making it clear who is giving the food?
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You don't think that giving the dog the food is sufficient?
They see that you are providing it, it smells like you because you prepared it, you put the bowl on the ground, etc... isn't that making it clear who is giving the food?
I guess it depends on the dog and owner. I've got friends with dogs, and I'm convinced their dogs see them as servants. A waitress also provides food. But a waitress isn't a leader.
I also think some dogs (especially those that are free-fed) don't have any idea where the food comes from. It's just always there. and the owner's responsibility in providing it is lost on the dogs. Everything in the house smells like the owner. The food would be no different.
For people who already have a good leadership relationship with their dog, then, no, eating gestures probably aren't important. But I do think they can help to establish one.
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