Doug Alcorn wrote 05/21/2009 12:16 PM Re: dominent collar needed? [Re: Jennifer Mullen ] #240591 - 05/21/2009 12:16 PM
Doug Alcorn Webboard User Reg: 09-03-2007 Posts: 221 Loc: Cincinnati, OH Offline	Quote: Jennifer Mullen Doug, that's funny, there was recently an epic battle about that study on another forum I'm on - I wasn't involved, sadly. I've always pointed to that study as well. But someone pointed out the only thing you can ever find about that study is references to it, not the study itself (which was called an 'urban myth' by one side). I've emailed the author of the site asking for references. Sounds like there might not be any. :-( Suzzie, the Australian Shepherd
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Jo Harker wrote 05/21/2009 12:19 PM Re: dominent collar needed? [Re: Doug Alcorn ] #240592 - 05/21/2009 12:19 PM
Jo Harker Webboard User Reg: 10-24-2008 Posts: 921 Loc: Indiana Offline	I have seen that same study. I can look tomorrow for citations, but not today. Look! I DO fit in the bag.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/21/2009 12:25 PM Re: dominent collar needed? [Re: Jo Harker ] #240596 - 05/21/2009 12:25 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Doug and Jo -- to another thread, please. Thanks. This one is "do I need a DD collar?"
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Jennifer Mullen wrote 05/21/2009 12:27 PM Re: dominent collar needed? [Re: Doug Alcorn ] #240597 - 05/21/2009 12:27 PM
Jennifer Mullen Webboard User Reg: 08-16-2007 Posts: 2365 Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Offline	Oooh, Doug, I would love to see the response! I've only ever seen the same page you linked to, and I've told people about that study without giving it a second thought (Sorry if off-topic) I think with dominant dog collars people confuse the use of them as a back-up for prong collars on pet dogs with the use of them for actual serious dangerous behaviour issues, so that they become like a 'next step' corrective collar for pet dogs? Total conjecture on my part though.... Teagan!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/21/2009 12:30 PM Re: dominent collar needed? [Re: Jennifer Mullen ] #240600 - 05/21/2009 12:30 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Jennifer Mullen ... I think with dominant dog collars people confuse the use of them as a back-up for prong collars on pet dogs ..... Total conjecture on my part though.... I don't know, but I know that I get PMs and emails with similar conjectures. Ed's page of DD collars does lead the reader through several major articles, programs, and videos to see before deciding on the DD collar, too.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/21/2009 12:32 PM Re: dominent collar needed? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #240602 - 05/21/2009 12:32 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	To the O.P., none of this is directed at you, I'm sure you know. Please let us know what issues you have, which is the most urgent, etc., and we will help. And you would really get a ton out of the two videos I mentioned.
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Lynne Barrows wrote 05/21/2009 12:52 PM Re: dominent collar needed? [Re: Jennifer Schnegg ] #240606 - 05/21/2009 12:52 PM
Lynne Barrows Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2007 Posts: 2531 Loc: S. Florida Offline	Jennifer Schnegg, you really need to incorporate marker(ie. clicker)training into your regimen, if you have not already. You were having problems before w/ excitability and jumping up and biting. Are these still problems? A choke collar, dominant dog collar, or prong collar is not going to solve these issues. Marker training will... Shi Tzu Jumping If, after reading the e-book and/or viewing the dvd, you can't figure out how to address your particular problems, ask away; you will gets lots of good advice...
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Melissa Thom wrote 05/21/2009 11:59 PM Re: dominent collar needed? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #240772 - 05/21/2009 11:59 PM
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007 Posts: 2781 Loc: Upper Left hand corner, USA Offline	In the course of grooming I see roughly between 30 -60 shih tzus a month. They are by far the most common dog groomed here in the pacific NW and I can honestly say that during the last nine months I have seen two tzus worthy of a prong and a dominant dog collar. I've seen a handful more that were beyond DD collar and frankly I would have had them put down because their personalities were that flattering and downright dangerous to the handlers and their children. Sometimes you just plain can't fix crazy. Personally I don't live with your dog and I have no idea how serious his biting issues are. Reality is if you're asking us if this is a good idea there is likely a little frustration on your end about the matter and I assume you'd like this behavior stopped ASAP. If you're committed to this it's not an easy road and will take serious effort on behalf of everyone who lives with your dog. Why do you feel at this time you need to step it up?
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Wendy Lefebvre wrote 05/22/2009 09:30 AM Re: dominent collar needed? [Re: Melissa Thom ] #240810 - 05/22/2009 09:30 AM
Wendy Lefebvre Webboard User Reg: 12-08-2005 Posts: 1271 Loc: Stoney Creek , Ontario, Canada Offline	I don't see anywhere that the original poster even mentioned anything about aggression or biting issues with her dog. She just wanted to know if a DD collar is better than a Choke collar for training. I am surprised lately at how many people are vying to use the DD collar for OB training. Dominant Dog collars (IMO) are not to be used by just anyone, and definately not for OB training. If the dog has serious aggression issues and you have tried other options than by all means purchase one. But it shouldn't be used for everyday normal OB training. Before purchasing a dominant dog collar, purchase a prong and start training with that if the flat buckle collar isn't giving you the results. Don't complain....TRAIN!!!
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Jennifer Schnegg wrote 05/22/2009 11:20 AM Re: dominent collar needed? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #240830 - 05/22/2009 11:20 AM
Jennifer Schnegg Webboard User Reg: 02-27-2009 Posts: 116 Loc: NC Offline	well, quincey chases my two cats, will not listen under distractions (which I havnt done much training) I admit. I dont use the choke collar as a corrective tool, but as letting him know what I want him to do by how I pull or direct the collar. I think any corrective tool used in the wrong way can do some damage physically or mentally to the dog. I will learn how to do the marker training, which im not that familiar with. Does it not take more time to teach that way? Ill go to the site to learn marker training. I have probably been using the wrong training tool. thanks
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