David, congrats on the new pup!

I can't give you an opinion on her pedigree, and you'll forgive me for commenting on something that you didn't ask about, but this jumped out at me:

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I could not keep her off my ankles until I got a prong collar. I hated to do it but I couldn't even take her out to use the bathroom. She yelps a little but it hardly slows her down at all. She has quit biting my ankles though.

She's a puppy and puppies bite ankles, etc. Good ones bite a lot and hard! A prong on a 3 month old pup isn't appropriate, at least not for mouthiness.

Have you tried redirecting her onto something else other than your skin? (ie rolled up hand towel, etc...)

Oh yes, I tried everything. I bought the following dvds: 8 weeks, raising working puppy, basic obedience, building drive and focus, and dominant and aggresive dogs. I tried fleece tugs, plush toys, balls, using the commands she knew (sit, down, retrieve) so we could interact positively. I tried picking her up and saying "Knock it off". I tried "alpha rolling". She was just more interested in my hands and ankles. She just did not have any interest in toys. This wasn't just simple nipping she was full out biting and shaking. Trust me, I really didn't want to do it. As I said the corrections aren't hard, maybe a level 3. She just yelps, and continues on. It doesn't affect her playing or desire to eat.

I'll tell you this though. She is a much better dog now. I can actually walk her. She still sticks that tail in the air and pulls hard on the leash. It has also not affected her drives or our bond. She goes full bore after the leather rag and the ball on a string. When she goes to bite, her teeth sound like two rams butting heads. This is one hard, driven dog. She'll also bring the items back to play with them at my feet (without me touching the leash). I work with her using obedience and drills from Building Drive and Focus dvd. I just had to get her past the biting me and my family.

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Have you tried redirecting her onto something else other than your skin? (ie rolled up hand towel, etc...)

Oh yes the rolled up towel. Both my hands took a beating on those attempts.

I'm serious when I say, I had two choices: leave her in her crate except only for bathroom or get a prong collar. I think I made the right decision. It is hardly used anymore. Occasionally I have to break it out every now and then.

David,

I personally don't like the idea of using a prong or anything else (for correction) on a puppy. You can expect to be bitten by a dog like this, especially when you have dogs like Sid Vom Haus and Troll in their background. These were some of the toughest dogs around. Focus on relationship with your dog and don't do stuff that will cause division in that relationship, especially at that age. I don't want to sound like a jerk but you're gonna have to man up here. You bought this type of dog and now you need to learn how to deal with it in a way that is conducive toward the best possible training you can give it.

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David,

I personally don't like the idea of using a prong or anything else (for correction) on a puppy. You can expect to be bitten by a dog like this, especially when you have dogs like Sid Vom Haus and Troll in their background. These were some of the toughest dogs around. Focus on relationship with your dog and don't do stuff that will cause division in that relationship, especially at that age. I don't want to sound like a jerk but you're gonna have to man up here. You bought this type of dog and now you need to learn how to deal with it in a way that is conducive toward the best possible training you can give it.

DITTO !!!! What a super pup....That's what that kind of pup SHOULD BE doing....send the pup here; the pup's too nice for you to have if you don't know how to handle it without resorting to a prong on a baby ... Sounds just like my female when she was a baby... crazy, nuts, biting everything & anything that moved or was within reach. I LOVE that!

Congrats on the new Pup David! Some of them are land sharks, aren't they?

Are you going to do any kind of sport with her? Sounds like you have a good canidate there!

My bitch puppy also did this in a huge way - she's now 18 weeks and we finally got out of the ankle phase.

And yes it hurts, yes I have lots of trousers with holes in them, yes I have scars but we got over it with lots of cheese. The second she left my leg alone I fed her - re-direction did not work but reward did. The most I ever did was a correction with a flat collar and that was maybe once.

She still nips anything that moves but the last thing I want to do is inhibit her.

ok, i'm a bit confused here. if Vyborna Lexa z Danaru is her grmother, it has to be on your pup's dam's side, and PDB shows that bitch only having one male offspring.

i'm thinking that the reason your pup's dam isn't on the database is just no one has put her on there yet...? (and we all know PDB isn't 100% accurate anyway).

as far as a "biting machine"--be glad you have one, and get rid of that prong (for the moment).

ETA: is the ped you posted as the grmother the grmother or the mother? your post says both, lol.

Everyone needs to remember that the data on Pedigree Data Base isn't worth spit. It's wrong so often ( and often is incorrect *on purpose* by unethical breeders! ) that referring to it is a waste of time.

If you need to look at a puppies pedigree, ask for the breeder to send you a copy via email ( or they could post it on their website if they're smart ).

The prong collar has been gone. I only used it a couple times and she got the idea. I fully believe our bond has not been sacrificed in any way. Neither has her drive.

I bought this dog to live in the house with my wife, 3 y/o daughter and myself. I would like to title her in Schutzhund but I don't care if we stop at 1, 2, or 3. I wanted a dog that wouldn't back down when my wife and daughter needed her the most. That's why I bought a good bloodline, not for competition. I also need her to live peacefully with us outside of her crate and loose in the house. And yes she is tethered to me all the time when out of the crate now.

The links to pedigree are for my dog's father and grandmother. My dog's mother is not registered in the US yet because she was an import from Czech Republic. The breeder has sent off her DNA in order to register the litter. He will receive the remaining half of the money for the puppy when I receive those papers. I have copies of both the father's and mother's pedigree. I've traced them back on that website and it seems good to me, at least from my limited experience.