You guys are all rookies. Hell just squirt the dog!!!LOLOLOLOLOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Fear or resentment, squirtin his ass with a high pressure hose will get him moving. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Only joking maxlee. Give the board more info on the dogs temperment.

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The first thing that pops into my mind, based upon the original post, is that it's quite likely that the handler has made some mistakes, and is seeing the results. Did the dog ever learn to heel before corrections were introduced? In what way have you been teaching the heel up to this point? When did this behavior first start, and what have you done to correct it so far?

Hi everybody
Thanks alot and am giving you all what I'm doing with this 7 months Goldie. He is well very familiar to collar and leash which I have been using it for all the stationary exercises like the sit etc....I definitely won't teach other exercise if he don't give me a 90% perfect on the exercise that I teach. I'm using the lure/reward method.I don't teach heel to walk but I used let's go with treat in front of his nose the minute I step forward with my left foot he will drop flat like a dead log. I just don't like dragging him I believe in positive training. I like dog to do their work happily without worrying about punishment. I used excel-erated learning by Pemela J. Reid to teach this dog. when this dog went wrong I always asked myself am I teaching him the right way, where do I go wrong and I don't blame my dog but myself. Who's is wrong and who's is wright I'm more confused than my dog. Thanks

ok, this is not a 'disrespect' or 'misbehaving' situation. One of the problems that plague dog owners is when doggy needs his toenails trimmed--sweet loveable doggy becomes a monster; that is why many dog owners find it easier to let a vetrinarian do it.
Once away from familiar surroundings, doggy behaves differently.

Perhaps, for whatever reason, the dog either associates walking with a leash as an unpleasant situation, or, since he is accustomed to wearing the leash during other types of training, he thinks the leash and collar combination is not appropriate attire for walking.

As with the above mentioned, letting him ride to another location (perhaps a park or open field) is a possibility. Use a long leash or line, and once he is out of the vehicle, allow him to sniff and explore at his own pace. Allow HIM to walk YOU, until he becomes used to the idea that it is not such an unpleasant business. This may require more than one time, depending how quickly he decides that he is interested. If he doesn't like a collar for these excursions, try a dog halter.

Once he becomes accustomed to wandering around with you attached to the other end of the long leash, start walking with him and gradually shorten the leash. When he decides that it is ok to be seen walking with you, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> and is walking with a regular length leash, then try it again at home.

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I just don't like dragging him I believe in positive training. I like dog to do their work happily without worrying about punishment.

This type of attitude always amazes me. So with your positive training. Your cute little loveable Goldie goes running up to some kid cuz he wants the attention, you sit there with your positive attitude and ignore this? I wouldn't want the dog to be punished for just trying to be friendly. Forget the fact in its excitement probably knocks over the kid...

People who insist on positive only really don't understand dogs or training. I would love for you to come see my dogs work. You would be hard pressed to find happier workers.

Your dog has proven he positively won't walk. He has also learned he has nothing to worry about, because you won't make him do anything he doesn't want to do. There is going to come a time in this young dogs life, when he is going to make you do something you don't want to do. I forsee a whole lot of dominance problems coming.

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Hehehe Todd you hit the nail on the head there. Goldens have never been known to be dominate or aggressive hey? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> The are sweet family dogs.

I see a problem with your post here

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I don't teach heel to walk but I used let's go with treat in front of his nose the minute I step forward with my left foot he will drop flat like a dead log.

Why on earth would you need to bribe the dog to walk in this manner? I have never seen a dog that would not go for a non training walk....I am having a hard time understanding your thinking on this. This is defenitly not the way to train a "Hunting heel" type walking position. You should never "bribe" the dog to do what you want... you reward for the proper behaviour, and ignore improper position, "until the dog knows what you want fully" stop and try again. Once the dog learns the "hunting heel" then add in corrections for no complience/proofing.

You don't even need, or should take one step while teaching the position Maxlee. Use the lead to guide the doggie into position, when he gets there, reward, goof around, play, then do it again a few times... then that's it... no walking involved.. when he will go to the "hunting heel" position without any help from you with the leash.. then it's time to take a step or two.

Break It Down Girlfriend!
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Just to be cheeky, I bet your dog tells all his buddies that your training is coming along great...heheheh, sorry could not resist

Maxlee,
I think things are becoming clearer now. I haven't read the book you mention, but I do know of its popularity among clicker training circles. If you're looking for help training without corrections or compulsion, you've come to the wrong board. The vast majority of the people here believe that compulsion is neccessary in training every dog for every purpose.

At any rate, I think what is happening here is that your dog either doesn't understand what you want, or doesn't want to do what you want. So, you have to figure out which it is. If he doesn't understand, then you need to teach it differently so that he understands. If he doesn't want to, then you need to motivate him to perform the action so that you can reward him when he does.

Until you know which it is, you won't be able to solve your problem. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

The vast majority of the people here believe that compulsion is neccessary in training every dog for every purpose.
I wouldn't go that far.