 Re: walking with the prong
[Re: Mandi Barrett ]
#258785 - 12/06/2009 07:07 PM |
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"You really need to start with one dog at a time. Only after both of them individually are heeling well, should you try walking both together. Many times, the ones walking so many dogs at a tiome are simply strong enough that their pulling is not as noticable to the observer, such as with Cesar Milan. The dogs are out in front and happily pulling, but he has a smile on his face and gripping the leashes tight."
Cesar does not let the dogs walk in front of him.
I beg to differ with you. He doesn't have a dog walk in front of him when he is working one on one with a client. but he has been filmed walking seceral at a time with the dogs in front and pulling. I have seen it.
Al's advice is good. If you allow the leash to tighten, you will only encourage the dog to pull. Corrections need to be short and sharp on a loose leash.
Another method that I have found good results with is by using turns as in the Koehler method. When the dog begins to get ahead, let the entire leash loose well before the dog reaches the end. Then hold the leash end to your belly, turn in the opposite direction, and move swiftly. If the dog is not paying attention, when he reaches the end of the leash, he will hit it and correct himself. Give no warning before you drop the excess leash and turn. then when the dog comes back to your side, even if he is only charging past, praise. Repeat as many times as necessary. Usually notr more than three is needed.
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Re: walking with the prong
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#259949 - 12/22/2009 01:14 PM |
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AL- I correct when the leash gets tightened, hence saying that is wrong, if I correct when the leash is loose, wouldn't I then be saying that were wrong?
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Re: walking with the prong
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#259950 - 12/22/2009 01:39 PM |
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Mandi,
Dogs do not correct themselves. You do.
Correct as soon as the dogs moves out of position.
Nay....heel.
The dog forges.....Nay. Dog hits the end of leash...heel.
It's just timing Mandi.
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Re: walking with the prong
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#259951 - 12/22/2009 01:42 PM |
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Have you tried any marker training at all Mandi?
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Re: walking with the prong
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#259963 - 12/22/2009 05:51 PM |
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Yeah, bits. I do take them out separately, usually only Pearl goes out with me real early to work, but then I'll take them both out for a free run. Then in the evening I like to do two walks, first with Ruby before our dinner, and Pearl after our dinner, then they both get fed.
They do better than they were, but still need work.
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Re: walking with the prong
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#259965 - 12/22/2009 06:13 PM |
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So you're sure they know what you're commanding?
Stay consistent with the marker work you'll be surprised.
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Re: walking with the prong
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#259971 - 12/22/2009 08:16 PM |
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AL- I correct when the leash gets tightened, hence saying that is wrong, if I correct when the leash is loose, wouldn't I then be saying that were wrong?
Once the leash gets tight, you have no leverage. A dog being lower to the ground can simply ignore the correction. Instead, you correct after the dog has left the position, but before the leash gets tight. And immediately make the leash loose again. That's why many call it a leash pop because there is the loose leash, the correction, which is followed instantly by the loose leash again.
Or, when the dog leaves your side (but before the leash gets tight) you drop the excess leash to the full 6 ft, and while holding the leash handle to your belly, turn in the opposite direction and quick-time. You don't warn the dog with another command before doing this. As soon as the dog returns to your side you praise and/r reward. After a couple of times, the dog will start staying close and watching to see what trickes you might pull next. It becomes a game of can you catch him napping. He wins by being attentive and remaining by your side no matter how many twists and turns and speed changes you do.
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Re: walking with the prong
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#259973 - 12/22/2009 08:25 PM |
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I'd rather the dog listen to what I have to say.
Without letting the dog know what you expect of him, he becomes insecure.
Nay......heel.
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Re: walking with the prong
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#259974 - 12/22/2009 08:35 PM |
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Reward proper behavior. yeah yeah yeah......yes!
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Re: walking with the prong
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#260002 - 12/23/2009 10:28 AM |
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When I responded to post with the question, "I correct when the leash gets tightened, hence saying that is wrong, if I correct when the leash is loose, wouldn't I then be saying that were wrong?". I was only answering about correcting before the leash tightens. I in no way meant to imply that is how to teach the heel. Corrections should not be given until as a means of training. Yes, a dog can learn that way, but neither is it fair nor do you get the best results.
My answer is that if you correct, don't do so after the leash is tight.
Since so many spoke of marker training, I saw no reason to repeat. Nor is marker training right for everyone in all situations; though I readily admit it is good for many training goals and gives excellent results.
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