 Re: Yelping Correction
[Re: Kevin Hardin ]
#264948 - 02/10/2010 03:27 PM |
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I agree with Randy.
However, I will say that I've noticed that certain dogs will yelp at a correction when it comes completely by surprise (ie. they are so focused on something else, or so amped up that they're oblivious to surroundings), and seems to be more of an "oh my, you scared the cr@p out of me" moment.
You need to be careful though that you are not over correcting, correcting too hard, or mis-timing corrections on a soft dog. A professional can assess the situation and help you decide what route to take much better than anyone on the internet can.
Good luck.
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Re: Yelping Correction
[Re: Julie Deans ]
#264952 - 02/10/2010 04:23 PM |
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That was my point Julie.
If the dog is continually caught by surprise or consistently being giving a level of correction resulting in a yelp, something is definitely amiss and the teaching process should change.
If my dog isn't learning, I'm doing something wrong.
Randy
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Re: Yelping Correction
[Re: sue houston ]
#264957 - 02/10/2010 05:49 PM |
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Scott, Yes, this is the hard thing in my mind to deal with, the question of drive. As soft tempered as my dogs are, if they are on bird scent, their drive is so high they don't seem to "hear" anything. So trying to get the right level of correction, enough to get their attention, while at the same time not demoralizing them, is difficult.
I know some students like this too (I teach highschool). You try to be gentle, subtle, etc but have to keep being more direct, more clear, use stronger and stronger explanations. When the kid finally "gets it" you feel like you've used a 2 by 4 to get your point accross, and of course the person feels beat upon. Then you need to do a bunch of repair work to the kid's sense of self esteem.
Dogs are not any easier sometimes. ;-)
I know exactly what you mean.
According to the Leerburg materials, the trick is not to slowly escalate the corrections. Try a low level correction that you know usually works and then step it up by a few levels if that doesn't work. I think Ed's example is not to go "4, 5, 6, 7" but, just go from 4 to 7 if that's what it will take. The problem is that you don't know what kind of correction a dog can take until you correct it, which I believe Ed points out. That's where you just have to learn the dog.
Something else to keep in mind is how vocal your dog is naturally. Two of my three shepherds are extremely vocal ... they yelp when they're excited, they yelp when they're irritated, they yelp if you look at them cross-eyed ...
That's a good point. My dog's a drama king just like Dillinger. I just ignore most of his BS and do my best to keep the blinders on to people that might be watching. The way I look at it is that he's my dog, I live with him, and I'll train him how I see fit. If that means he gets fair and well timed corrections on a prong collar, so be it. 
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Re: Yelping Correction
[Re: Scott Garrett ]
#264962 - 02/10/2010 06:57 PM |
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So his drama isn't working so far huh?
How long has he been taking acting classes?
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Re: Yelping Correction
[Re: randy allen ]
#264965 - 02/10/2010 07:05 PM |
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Negative. 
I think he was born for the theeatah.
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Re: Yelping Correction
[Re: Scott Garrett ]
#264968 - 02/10/2010 07:18 PM |
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Then I'd start making up some different clue cards Scott.
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Re: Yelping Correction
[Re: randy allen ]
#265106 - 02/12/2010 01:31 PM |
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Dogs can yelp from a correction, when the correction surprises them. A yelp can also be the dogs response when a correction is too severe. Both conditions can exist with a pinch collar or an e collar. Some dogs are vocal, so they might have a tendency to respond with a yelp. So many times a dog doesn't know what to do with the correction. If you "correct" a dog, what happens immediately afterwards? Change in behavior? Does the dog suddenly do the behavior with a great attitude?
My first thought is to look at the big picture and see just where my communication with the dog is and how I can help the dog understand what I need from him. I question that if the dog is yelping can he truly learn?
Roni
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Re: Yelping Correction
[Re: Roni Hoff ]
#265145 - 02/13/2010 10:22 AM |
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I think that depends on what you're teaching your dog. Are you correcting for obedience/sport or are you correcting a pack/environmental issue? Do you just want the dog to comply or do you want it to never think about doing Action-X again?
Then I'd start making up some different clue cards Scott.
I think, as usual, we're on completely different pages.
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Re: Yelping Correction
[Re: Scott Garrett ]
#265173 - 02/13/2010 03:32 PM |
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Yeah, no doubt we're on different pages Scott.
You're on page three of the intro to volume #1.
Find another script for the dog to read was my suggestion as well as Roni's........but I'm sure you know better.
Carry on with your born ham. He's emoting just for the show.
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Re: Yelping Correction
[Re: randy allen ]
#265208 - 02/14/2010 01:12 PM |
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Randy, why is it that you think you know me or anything about me?
My dog throwing a fit in his crate (the context part of my comment your lack of reading comprehension skills missed) because my wife gives in to it has anything to do with him yelping when I don't want him barking at a stupid kid shaking the fence going "hey dog, hey dog, hey mister can I pet your dog, hey dog!!!"? Yeah, man, you sure do know everything about everything. I bet you even know what I had for dinner last night. If you weren't such an arrogant cornhole I might even care what you have to say once in a while. I tried being nice to you and now I'm done. Please do me the favor of not replying to anything I post in the future or I'll just have to ignore you.
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