anybody that knows anything about modern homes knows that a 9mm will go right on thru drywall, this unit had to of known kids were in the house and yet they decided to pop off some rounds. I've seen more restraint from our guys in Iraq doing house searches

Wow.

I hold a trained SWAT team to higher standards then I would a non swat team.

That poor child.

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And *very* rarely are the officers responsible *ever* charges with a crime, no matter how outrageous or criminal their behavior is.

Sometimes they are. Last week a LEO in a nearby town was put on trial for manslaughter/murder over a DUI arrest gone horridly wrong which resulted in the death of the man involved via 8 shots to the back. After a commission of LEOs investigated with the district prosecutor and the other officer on scene testifying against that officer the decision was made to go ahead with the charges. The jury came back on the two charges of not guilty, but followed up by saying that the officer would be responsible for his own legal fees since they found that the incident was not in self defense as was claimed. This will lead to a civil wrongful death suit.

The problem is that in the case of the humble family dog you have very little recourse concerning the dog's value. Honestly if the police/someone shot your cow in most states you'd have more right to damages. I think that shooting a crated barking dog is downright criminal, inexcusable etc but now you're left with the question of what's to be done about it? Really during a drug raid if drug enforcement destroys your house down to the studs you have very little recourse for any property damage.

We had a SWAT team bust down our door and raid our house while my father and sister were home years ago. Yelled and screamed, pointed their guns, threatened my family (but luckily didn't shoot anyone), and it turns out they had the wrong address.

This really upsets me. It hits especially close to home because of the Corgi. I can't watch the video and I'm not even sure I want to read the article. I'll be even more enraged!

Melissa,
But if the police get the wrong info, or all to often misread the address, they are given free rein to do as they feel fit. They can and do literally get away with murder. And if it's in the 'wrong part of town', it never even makes it to court but dismissed out of hand. Period.

It's happened more than once, and will happen again.

M&M Enterprises

 Quote: melissa thom

The problem is that in the case of the humble family dog you have very little recourse concerning the dog's value.
I think that shooting a crated barking dog is downright criminal, inexcusable etc but now you're left with the question of what's to be done about it? Really during a drug raid if drug enforcement destroys your house down to the studs you have very little recourse for any property damage.

This isn't about the pets "value", this is about an out of control group of thugs that think that they're above the law. It's about the rule of law in this country, and if a citizen can't rely on the police for protection, and in fact innocents need to fear about them, well......it changes *everything*

Well, I use to just count on a 12 gauge to repel home invasion types, but after seeing more of these types of "events" go down, I and many of the people in the social groups that I know of have gone to 7.62 NATO main battle rifles for home defense - so if the people invading my house are wearing body armor, it won't make any difference.
And I'm deathly serious about this.

And truth be told, I know that I haven't committed any crimes, so if a group of armed men are entering my home violently and killing my pets, they won't be walking away from the event - I might not either, but I truly don't care, and I'll take a lot of them with me.

Hopefully that guy will do the right thing.

Will, can I come live with you?

But seriously, I thought our experience was a freak accident. But since I've learned it isn't and often people get killed. For no reason. It's terrible. I definitely won't be able to take anyone down without some sort of weapon. And I live in California. They don't like weapons here.

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 Quote: melissa thom

The problem is that in the case of the humble family dog you have very little recourse concerning the dog's value.
I think that shooting a crated barking dog is downright criminal, inexcusable etc but now you're left with the question of what's to be done about it? Really during a drug raid if drug enforcement destroys your house down to the studs you have very little recourse for any property damage.

This isn't about the pets "value", this is about an out of control group of thugs that think that they're above the law. It's about the rule of law in this country, and if a citizen can't rely on the police for protection, and in fact innocents need to fear about them, well......it changes *everything*

Well, I use to just count on a 12 gauge to repel home invasion types, but after seeing more of these types of "events" go down, I and many of the people in the social groups that I know of have gone to 7.62 NATO main battle rifles for home defense - so if the people invading my house are wearing body armor, it won't make any difference.
And I'm deathly serious about this.

And truth be told, I know that I haven't committed any crimes, so if a group of armed men are entering my home violently and killing my pets, they won't be walking away from the event - I might not either, but I truly don't care, and I'll take a lot of them with me.

Hell Will, if they knew they had to deal with you they'd just Nuke you from orbit

They can do that now!!!!!!!!?????
Oh s*&$t, is there a limit on the amount of beer a person is allowed to be in possession of?