Brendan-
"use these dogs as compost"?
That is, by far, the most stupid thing I have seen written on this forum yet. In fact not just that, the whole response is lame! The pitting type dogs were bred for DOG/ANIMAL AGGRESSION and for superior owner loyalty. The dogs had to fight in a ring with human interaction, a dirty bite would get the dog killed, or at the very least cost him the match. Owners didn't like this to happen- thus human aggressive animals were not bred or kept as pets. The VAST majority of APBTs, PBTs, SBT, and ASBTs are exellent dogs with their HUMAN families. KIDS included. You wouldn't let ANY type of protective dog around a group of children roughhousing or grabassing. Not a German Sheperd, not a Rottweiler, not a Doberman, not a Poodle, not a Lab, not a PBT. How difficult is that. I think you should stop taking your ideas about dogs from the nightly news. What everyone has right is that the majority of PB types will kill animals and other dogs. That is the dogs nature. If you can live with, and control, that nature they are great dogs. They need to be in a controled environment not running around in packs in your house. Hmm, just like any other type of powerful dog- GSDs, Rotts, Dobies. . . Sure they don't make the best protection dogs but, PBs have proven themselves in this type of work.

Brendon:

YOUR THE BEST! You are back for one day and already your in trouble. You are alright in my book.

Vince, I agree. An Aussie through and through, and a man who is not afraid to speak his mind! Now thats what I call a pissing contest! What Jan Kaldenbach said in his book "The Malinois" applies here. "Dog people, because they have to remain in control of the dog, are by nature domineering. As a result, dog breeders and dog handlers do not always relate well to one another." Man, talk about "Animal on Animal Aggression!"

I AGREE WITH EVERTHING YOU SAID VANCAMP ITS
EVIDENT THAT BRENDAN DOES NOT OWN THIS BREED.
BUT I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU VANCAMP ON THE PART THAT THEY DON'T MAKE THE GREATEST PROTECTION DOG...THAT IS NOT TRUE I HAVE YET
TO SEE ANY SHEPHERD,DOBE,ROTTIE COMPARE TO THE TENACITY OF A PROTECTION TRAINED APBT.
REMEMBER THIS DOG IS BRED FOR TOUGHNESS HIS ATTITUDE IS TO "DEATH DO US PART"AND YOU MUST RESPECT HIS NATURE AND ABILITY.WHEN THERE ARE THUGS,ROBBERS,ETC OUT THER TRYING TO GET WHAT THEY WANT BELIEVE ME THERE GOING TO USE EXTREME FORCE TO GET WHAT THEY WANT AND YOU WANT A DOG THATS BEEN BRED FOR THE ABILITY TO FIGHT,UNDERSTAND WHEN THIS FIGHT DRIVE IS CHANNELED AT A YOUNG AGE TO BE A MAN DOG I MIGHT STEP ON SOME TOES WHEN I SAY THIS BUT THE SHEPHERD,ROTTIE,DOBE CANNOT COMPARE TO THE PAIN TOLERANCE AND TOUGHNESS OF THIS BREED.HE CAN COMPETE ON A NATIONAL LEVEL IN SCH,KNPV,ETC.IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY AND TAKE THE HIGHEST SCORES AND THEN IF HE HAS TO HE CAN TAKE ON ALL CHALLENGERS AND WHIP THEM TO.THE APBT A DOG PAR/EXCELLENCE I STAND STRONGLY ON THIS.

Yea. . . stupid must be pretty popular these days.


Ha Ha - just kidding.
I seem to have been drawn into this distance wee wee contest by everyone's buddy. Kinda like starting a fight with a guy at a football game. . .a home game. . .and i've been rootin' for the away team. . .sucky. It's all in fun right?
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PBM - there is no way I'm going to start debating with you about what kind of dog is the best for protection. I have seen ASBTs and APBTs do good protection. But SchH, KNPV, Ring, etc. Wow, are you serious. Why are GSDs and Mals on the high part of the podium in every major competition, in all these sports, every year? When I see it I'll believe it. Maybe you'll be the first one to do it.

Ooops, wait a minute I know that FCI doesn't allow PBTs to compete. What about Ring, etc.?

PBM, I'm not going to try and pretend that I know a lot about pits because I don't. I suspect much of what you've just said is BS though. It sounds to me that Brendan has had some run ins with pits and has some really strong feelings on the subject. His post was certainly not diplomatic by any means. But we are ALL guilty, some more than others, of posting before putting ample thought into it. Try not to take it so personally.

JASON AND VANCAMP NOTHING PERSONAL JUST DO SOME RESEARCH ON THIS BREED."IN ALL THY GETTING GET AN UNDERSTANDING".

PBM, I have done quite a bit of research on this breed. Getting back to the original topic, I think that bmatis made a huge boo boo. I think bmatis should find a good home for one of the dogs.

It is a well known fact that while pits make wonderful companions to humans, they have a tendency toward animal aggression. For an inexperienced pit owner to attempt to train two, of the same sex and age, acquired from a pet store no less, is a disaster waiting to happen.

The APBT was at one point in time, the most popular breed of family dog in the US, for good reason. Since that time, so much backyard breeding by idiots who have no idea what they are doing has just about ruined a noble breed. When talking about the breed as a whole, it's important to understand that there is a whole lot of bad genetic material out there, due to irresponsible breeders. There are some great pits, and there are some just plain dangerous animals. I don't believe you should buy ANY breed of dog from a pet store, but to buy this particular breed from a pet store, you're just asking for trouble. If I were to ever even consider getting a Pit (I'm a Lab person, so it's highly unlikely) I would do my homework well, and I would find a good breeder, and, of course, I would only buy one.