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[Re: randy allen ]
#309190 - 12/29/2010 06:24 PM |
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Forget about size Ross, ask ACD owners if size matters.
It's the heart you want not size.
Amen. ACDs of any size have a ton of heart and are bred to take on huge bulls without little thought to size. I have ACDs that are large for the breed at 60+ pounds (average is 40-45) and I have Frost who I affectionately call my mini-heeler at 32 pounds and barely 17 inches tall. Before I got her I liked my ACDs moose sized but Frost has changed that for me. LOVE her size and she has as much heart as my big dogs - actually with the exception of my dearly departed Poe, she has more drive and heart than my other ACDs!
Now that I am breeding her I am hoping to get another small ACD like her out of the litter :-)
Frost herding:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/17719480@N00/4905474865
Frost at an Ellis seminar:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/17719480@N00/3801972785/
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[Re: Ingrid Rosenquist ]
#309229 - 12/29/2010 08:46 PM |
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Now that I am breeding her I am hoping to get another small ACD like her out of the litter :-)
< Will does a happy dance!! > 
So.....when can I come to do the litter temperament test after she delivers? 
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Re: Do I Have a Smallinois?
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#309233 - 12/29/2010 09:16 PM |
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Now that I am breeding her I am hoping to get another small ACD like her out of the litter :-)
< Will does a happy dance!! >
So.....when can I come to do the litter temperament test after she delivers?
Sure, but I would suggest waiting a few weeks after she delivers. I am assuming they will be brillant like her but even with that, it might take a few weeks for their brillance to shine through
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Re: Do I Have a Smallinois?
[Re: Ross Rapoport ]
#309237 - 12/29/2010 09:54 PM |
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Is he pretty lanky at this stage, Ross? I'm guessing he'll be on the small side - 55-60 lbs. max.
Maybe Kadi (Dantero Malinois) will stop by - she keeps detailed growth stats for many of her litters.
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#309238 - 12/29/2010 10:00 PM |
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I hope Frost throws some small ones and you continue that on. Small quality well bred ACDs are rare. My junk bred dog is at l6 mos moving cattle including young bulls, 25 lbs, about 15 " gets the job done most days. Small with a quality pedigree (or whatever the minimum height of the standard is) you'd really have something. Bigger is just more hair, more dog to tote around. The mix in my fella is NOT a good addition, he will quit at times. A full small ACD with good breeding is what everyone would want.
I am wishing you big success with your breeding program.
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#309239 - 12/29/2010 10:02 PM |
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Now that I am breeding her I am hoping to get another small ACD like her out of the litter :-)
< Will does a happy dance!! >
So.....when can I come to do the litter temperament test after she delivers?
Sure, but I would suggest waiting a few weeks after she delivers. I am assuming they will be brillant like her but even with that, it might take a few weeks for their brillance to shine through
Let me know the exact date that they're seven weeks old and I'll bring my testing gear, my camera, and most importantly, my check book!! 
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Re: Do I Have a Smallinois?
[Re: Ross Rapoport ]
#309246 - 12/29/2010 11:09 PM |
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My favorite Mal is one that is on the smaller side, 
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Re: Do I Have a Smallinois?
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#309249 - 12/29/2010 11:44 PM |
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Do you have a photo of your dog you can post? Does he look like a puppy still, or does he already look like a little adult? Is the 36lbs a skinny puppy, or a filled out one?
In my experience most Malinois are hitting their height around 1 year old. The big ones can take a little longer to get to full height, but by 18 months usually have it. However, they can continue to grow in bulk up past 2 years of age. Some lines also grow very slowly, I know of some dogs who's growth plates didn't close until 3 years old (Konnie Wicked is from those lines).
It sounds like your pup will probably hit standard but be on the lower end of the standard. Without more information its hard to say but I'd guess you are looking at high 50's or low 60's.
As a side note, that isn't really that small for a male. I've had some very good Malinois that were low 60's, my favorite male ever, Enzo, was 25 inches and 65 lbs and nobody ever complained about lack of power or presence. Actually most people thought he was a 75+ lb dog.
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#309253 - 12/30/2010 12:00 AM |
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Smaller dogs = less physical problems a lot of the time. We see a lot of these giganzo GSD's falling apart at 7 or 8 years old. Plus, a smaller dog is bound to be more agile, and hit the ground lighter.
I know a lot of people want a big dog. It is kind of a "romantic" or "fantastical" thing. But on a practical level, more dog also = more food, and more meds, if it ever comes to that.
I am expecting Faroh to be about 80lbs. A good bit smaller than my last dog, but I'm good with that.
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Re: Do I Have a Smallinois?
[Re: randy allen ]
#309377 - 12/30/2010 07:09 PM |
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Who cares?
And you should be the last to care Ross.
It's what the dog brings......That's what it's about, not size.
My club has a DS that can't go more than 65 or 70 pounds, the decoy DOES NOT like taking bites from the dog. The suit isn't squat, the dog digs for bone.
Forget about size Ross, ask ACD owners if size matters.
It's the heart you want not size.
Agreed on all counts. I know that #s aren't everything and in fact count for very little.
However, 65-70 lb wouldn't be small in my book. I'm wondering if my guy might even end up in the 45-50lb range.
Either way, I *think*--and I do stress think, because I really don't know--that Roger is a good prospect for bitework. Per Phaedra's comments, the agility is there: he's a bona fide leaper. The other day he hit his head on the ceiling of my apartment after using the couch to launch himself after a bug. 
He also seems to not care what he's biting. Is that what this phrase means, Anne?
She will bite & is not the least bit equipment orientated. Is he pretty lanky at this stage, Ross? I'm guessing he'll be on the small side - 55-60 lbs. max.
Very lanky and leggy. My brother just got a DS and that dog is more stocky at 16 weeks than Roger is now.
I UL'd photos of Roger from my camera last night and just got home from work. I'll get them hosted tonight. Thanks all for the responses.
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