 Re: Wear on canine teeth
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#327323 - 04/14/2011 08:58 PM |
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I doubt gorilla tape would do anything.
As for picking up dirt, it's kind of sandy here and they pick up dirt as they land on the ground wet with saliva and with a dog diving to grab it (kicking up loads of dust in the process).
I always like playing in the winter 'cause they stay clean with the snow!!
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Re: Wear on canine teeth
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#327337 - 04/14/2011 10:11 PM |
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He doesn't have any toys laying around. He gets the occassional bully stick but those are about 6" long and gone in under five minutes, unfortunately. The love of his life is a Chuckit Flying Squirrel but of course that is something we play with together. I feed mostly chicken leg quarters, turkey necks and ground beef. He also gets an occassional RMB but he doesn't really "eat" the bone like our other dog does; he just tries to lick the marrow out... that is why I'm asking about the wear; I don't see the behavior which would account for it! His nails are VERY hard in comparison to our other dog, for what that is worth.
Are the RMB referenced above, femur bones? Could he be using his front teeth while gnawing, or trying to get the marrow out?
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Re: Wear on canine teeth
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#327361 - 04/15/2011 12:06 AM |
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I've seen wear like that on dogs that chew on their stainless steel bowls.
Something to shallow to get to the back molars.
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Re: Wear on canine teeth
[Re: Bob Scott ]
#327362 - 04/15/2011 01:18 AM |
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Depends when you started giving the recreational bones.
A dog's teeth aren't fully formed until 2 years of age, and are basically a huge pulp cavity when they first erupt.
As the dog ages, the enamel gets thicker and harder, and the pulp cavity gets smaller. If you MUST give those types of bones to your dog, I wouldn't do it until after that (2 years +) age, as they will wear faster when the enamel is thin. Also, the chances of a fracture are much, much higher when the adult teeth aren't fully formed.
Genetics also play a part of course.
As long as the wear is slow, and the tooth "heals" as it goes, you're pretty much ok. But that is a lot of wear for his age.
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Re: Wear on canine teeth
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#327363 - 04/15/2011 06:34 AM |
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I was just getting ready to post that I regret having mentioned the RMBs because they have been so few and far between they really aren't worth considering, when it struck me... When Falcon was younger I used to give those horrid rawhide bones with the knots on either end.  It wasn't until after finding LB that I learned how risky they are and stopped providing them, but THAT could be the culprit; they were pretty hard. I don't remember at what I stopped purchasing them... maybe 8-9 months of age??
This makes sense because what made me post the photo and question is the fact that I just don't see anything in Falcon's current "lifestyle" which would account for the wear. He doesn't chew on his stainless steel bowl, he doesn't gnaw on logs, etc... Thanks for helping me think this one through.
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Re: Wear on canine teeth
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#327364 - 04/15/2011 06:57 AM |
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We have a skull of a coyote shot on the farm which the Department of Natural Resources guy estimated to be a 5 yr old. I took a picture of it with my computer which I will try to post later. Needless to say that guy was eating raw.
There is very little wear on the canines, though one is fractured. The tips are blunted but they are not sanded down.
I think the wear you are seeing on the canines is from tug of fabric with sand/dirt, ie tennis balls, the flying squirrel. Old labs and goldens have those flattened canines universally. My own teeth are sanded way down, dentist said it's from years of life in dusty barns, all farmers are toothless by 60 was his comment.(GOOD GRIEF was my thought!)
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Re: Wear on canine teeth
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#327398 - 04/15/2011 11:56 AM |
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Depends when you started giving the recreational bones.
A dog's teeth aren't fully formed until 2 years of age, and are basically a huge pulp cavity when they first erupt.
As the dog ages, the enamel gets thicker and harder, and the pulp cavity gets smaller. If you MUST give those types of bones to your dog, I wouldn't do it until after that (2 years +) age, as they will wear faster when the enamel is thin. Also, the chances of a fracture are much, much higher when the adult teeth aren't fully formed.
Genetics also play a part of course.
As long as the wear is slow, and the tooth "heals" as it goes, you're pretty much ok. But that is a lot of wear for his age. :
"Some examples of recreational bones are cow femurs, knuckle bones and marrow bones.
I like recreational bones for puppies up to the age of about 6 or 7 months, I know many dogs that have permanently damaged or broken their teeth on recreational bones. Use discretion with this type of bone."
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Re: Wear on canine teeth
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#327400 - 04/15/2011 12:00 PM |
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He doesn't have any toys laying around. He gets the occassional bully stick but those are about 6" long and gone in under five minutes, unfortunately. The love of his life is a Chuckit Flying Squirrel but of course that is something we play with together. I feed mostly chicken leg quarters, turkey necks and ground beef. He also gets an occassional RMB but he doesn't really "eat" the bone like our other dog does; he just tries to lick the marrow out... that is why I'm asking about the wear; I don't see the behavior which would account for it! His nails are VERY hard in comparison to our other dog, for what that is worth.
Are You Still Feeding "Your Other Dog" Recreational Bones?
Cindy Rhondes from the Raw Feeding section on Leerburg:
"Some examples of recreational bones are cow femurs, knuckle bones and marrow bones .
I like recreational bones for puppies up to the age of about 6 or 7 months, I know many dogs that have permanently damaged or broken their teeth on recreational bones. Use discretion with this type of bone."
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Re: Wear on canine teeth
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#327401 - 04/15/2011 12:03 PM |
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We have a skull of a coyote shot on the farm which the Department of Natural Resources guy estimated to be a 5 yr old. I took a picture of it with my computer which I will try to post later. Needless to say that guy was eating raw.
There is very little wear on the canines , though one is fractured. The tips are blunted but they are not sanded down.
I think the wear you are seeing on the canines is from tug of fabric with sand/dirt, ie tennis balls, the flying squirrel. Old labs and goldens have those flattened canines universally. My own teeth are sanded way down, dentist said it's from years of life in dusty barns, all farmers are toothless by 60 was his comment.(GOOD GRIEF was my thought!)
I don't think a coyote was "taking down" cattle, elk, ect & eating femur bones.
Soft bones of rabbit, rodents = Yes!
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Re: Wear on canine teeth
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#327443 - 04/15/2011 01:48 PM |
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This particular coyote "took down" a large white tail doe at 5:50 on a winter morning about 100 ft from my house, in winter in deep snow. I watched. We shot this coyote so that we could let our dogs out, there was a pack of them who had become a problem , driving deer closer and closer to our buildings and cattle.
We find many remains in spring while checking fence. Usually all that is left is skull, part of the spine, the heaviest ribs, some hide and hair. Sometimes the femurs remain : often the pelvis is gone. Coyotes carry deer parts around-- other "treasures" as well. We find deer legs, gloves, sometimes old boots or shoes (not ours) out in the middle of no where.
If we do find femur bones they are usually not chewed up, they are till recognizable.
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