Tracy Collins wrote 05/25/2011 03:47 PM Re: feeding q: bones and pugs [Re: Selene lindhout ] #334382 - 05/25/2011 03:47 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	Raw chicken and fish bones are safe. Cooked are a definite no no. Eta. And if pugs were wild (ha!) they'd be eating mice, small birds, baby rabbits--not taking down cattle. And they'd eat the whole thing. Bones and all. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/25/2011 03:53 PM Re: feeding q: bones and pugs [Re: Michael_Wise ] #334385 - 05/25/2011 03:53 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: michael_wise Problem with "letting them eat as they would in the wild", is they aren't in the wild. They aren't getting to choose. They only get what we give them. That's why you have to do your absolute best to make sure everything they WOULD eat is available. That includes the entire animal, and any digestive contents that might be in the animal. Now, most of us don't have whole chickens or rabbits at our disposal, so we have to do our best to mimic that with various animal parts and processed vegetables. That includes meat, bone, organs, and some vegetable matter. Also, if I was new to raw, then I'd give a commercial diet until I learned about balanced raw diets. I'm a FIRM believer in raw feeding, but an unbalanced raw diet is not in any way superior to a balanced commercial one. A muscle meat diet with no digestible bone is a nutritional disaster to a dog. This is the place to learn it, but please learn it before you do it. Recreational bones and meat is a bad diet. Not knowing that a raw diet is based on digestible bones is no crime and doesn't mean anyone is stupid ... but it does mean that there's some reading to do before feeding raw. A good start would be sourcing the basic RMBs (maybe chicken backs).
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/25/2011 03:55 PM Re: feeding q: bones and pugs [Re: Tracy Collins ] #334386 - 05/25/2011 03:55 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Tracy Collins Raw chicken and fish bones are safe. Cooked are a definite no no. Eta. And if pugs were wild (ha!) they'd be eating mice, small birds, baby rabbits--not taking down cattle. And they'd eat the whole thing. Bones and all. See how there is no marrow from big bones involved there? Where would a small dog in the wild get marrow from cattle or deer or any big animal? Marrow is great, but in no way is it essential the way soft digestible bones are. Also, the Paleo diet for humans is not the Paleo diet for dogs. Humans and dogs are very different. Calcium is critical to a dog's diet, and it comes from the soft bones that are eaten and digested .... not from marrow bones.
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Selene lindhout wrote 05/25/2011 04:02 PM Re: feeding q: bones and pugs [Re: Michael_Wise ] #334389 - 05/25/2011 04:02 PM
Selene lindhout Webboard User Reg: 05-22-2011 Posts: 58 Loc: Netherlands Offline	umm .. i inculde in what i give them, veggies , tho nothing that has a skin or needs to be peedled ( tho i have to say they ADORE apples, hubby like to give them a pice now and again), eggs, large animal marrow (when i can) hart, livers, kidnys (tho i find this applaing) brains (omega) they eat, chicken, lamb, rabbit, squab, beef.. i dont give rice ... (should i? its alot of starch and again, they wouldnt find it in the wild ediable and it fills with empty calories and no nutritional values), testicles and cow eyes... should i be adding anything else ? Precious pugs
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/25/2011 04:06 PM Re: feeding q: bones and pugs [Re: Selene lindhout ] #334391 - 05/25/2011 04:06 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	They need RMBs. The need the digestible bone in RMBs. They don't particularly need recreational bones and they don't need rice. Where is the calcium in what you list? Have you read the LB articles on raw feeding?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/25/2011 04:07 PM Re: feeding q: bones and pugs [Re: Selene lindhout ] #334392 - 05/25/2011 04:07 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Selene lindhout ... eggs, large animal marrow (when i can) hart, livers, kidnys (tho i find this applaing) brains (omega) they eat, chicken, lamb, rabbit, squab, beef.. i dont give rice ... (should i? its alot of starch and again, they wouldnt find it in the wild ediable and it fills with empty calories and no nutritional values), testicles and cow eyes... should i be adding anything else ? Which of these small animals are fed with the bones?
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Selene lindhout wrote 05/25/2011 04:12 PM Re: feeding q: bones and pugs [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #334394 - 05/25/2011 04:12 PM
Selene lindhout Webboard User Reg: 05-22-2011 Posts: 58 Loc: Netherlands Offline	rabbits and lamb but not the long bones also we were told to add the SOME, not all of the egg shells grounded for calcium, since in nature they would eat those too * currently reading this article.. tho all i see are q$a atm Precious pugs
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Tracy Collins wrote 05/25/2011 04:17 PM Re: feeding q: bones and pugs [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #334397 - 05/25/2011 04:17 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	Feed the bones of those small animals and you'll be on the right track. Raw vegetables and fruits are virtually useless (nutritionally) to a dog. Dogs cannot digest cellulose. You need to cook, purée, or freeze those plant-based foods in order to make the nutrients available to the dog. And this vegetable matter shouldn't be any more than 10% max of the diet. Leafy greens and berries will be the most nutritionally dense. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Selene lindhout wrote 05/25/2011 04:17 PM Re: feeding q: bones and pugs [Re: Selene lindhout ] #334398 - 05/25/2011 04:17 PM
Selene lindhout Webboard User Reg: 05-22-2011 Posts: 58 Loc: Netherlands Offline	oh.. they also get whole small fish i forgot to mention Precious pugs
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Selene lindhout wrote 05/25/2011 04:20 PM Re: feeding q: bones and pugs [Re: Tracy Collins ] #334399 - 05/25/2011 04:20 PM
Selene lindhout Webboard User Reg: 05-22-2011 Posts: 58 Loc: Netherlands Offline	Quote: Tracy Collins Feed the bones of those small animals and you'll be on the right track. Raw vegetables and fruits are virtually useless (nutritionally) to a dog. Dogs cannot digest cellulose. You need to cook, purée, or freeze those plant-based foods in order to make the nutrients available to the dog. And this vegetable matter shouldn't be any more than 10% max of the diet. Leafy greens and berries will be the most nutritionally dense. They get carrots (chunked ) but the whole thing.. greens and all, celery carefully chopped and de-stringed.. I see peas in the pics on that page... are these good for dogs? ( or better?) Also .. rocky is constantly raiding my vegable garden, turn your back and my lettuce is gone. Precious pugs
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