Natalya Zahn wrote 07/27/2011 05:18 PM Re: Grey muzzle = bad nutrition? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #339862 - 07/27/2011 05:18 PM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	Great topic. I've been giving this issue some thought recently since Oscar turned 6 in March, and he has virtually no grey muzzle hairs (save for some sparse ones on the underside of his chin... I was thinking it could partly be because he's been properly raw fed since he was 1... but there's no way of knowing how much genes factor in. I know he'll grey as he continues to age - not looking forward to that reminder of his lifespan - raw diet or not, but I'm so glad he doesn't look prematurely frosty (I know a number of (kibble fed) dogs who started greying at around 2!). For now, he just ACTS like an old codger - walking at a good snail's pace, laying down to soak up the sun every chance he gets... ~Natalya
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Joyce Salazar wrote 07/27/2011 05:33 PM Re: Grey muzzle = bad nutrition? [Re: Lori Hall ] #339867 - 07/27/2011 05:33 PM
Joyce Salazar Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 2075 Loc: Dallas, Texas Offline	Quote: lori hall  Quote: connie sutherland PS Which issue of WDJ is this in? The last one addressing causes of fur changes that I recall was in 2007 or 2008, called (I think) "Hair of the Dog." Is it new? Joyce, do you remember which one you read it in? I was in a hospital waiting room, of all places. I don't know what year the one that I read was. I wish I had looked now. I do remember this guy saying something about a lack of zinc causing early greying. The article was at the place I work. I am off for a couple days, but I will look when I go in and let you know as soon as I find out. I just looked through my back issues and didn't see it. But I have only subscribed for a little over a year. This one may be an older issue. The zinc deficiency is an interesting point. But aren't raw diets very plentiful in zinc? I thought raw meat was high in zinc. Connie or anyone know if this is true? Joyce Salazar
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Anne Jones wrote 07/27/2011 05:40 PM Re: Grey muzzle = bad nutrition? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #339870 - 07/27/2011 05:40 PM
Anne Jones Webboard User Reg: 04-29-2004 Posts: 3825 Loc: Northeast Offline	Just like humans..I believe that stess can be a contributing factor, also. MY DOGS...MY RULES
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Sheila Buckley wrote 07/27/2011 07:11 PM Re: Grey muzzle = bad nutrition? [Re: Lori Hall ] #339883 - 07/27/2011 07:11 PM
Sheila Buckley Webboard User Reg: 07-14-2007 Posts: 1243 Loc: Offline	Thor is 11.5 and has not greyed. Do you think it's because he's all white?
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Ariane Gauthier wrote 07/27/2011 09:21 PM Re: Grey muzzle = bad nutrition? [Re: Sheila Buckley ] #339893 - 07/27/2011 09:21 PM
Ariane Gauthier Webboard User Reg: 11-23-2010 Posts: 817 Loc: St-Lazare, Qc Offline	one of my friend dog is now 13, just starting to grey and has been on the cheap food (dog chow) all her life. She sure is stiff but not much grey yet. Lucifer!
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Kelly Byrd wrote 07/28/2011 12:02 AM Re: Grey muzzle = bad nutrition? [Re: Sheila Buckley ] #339901 - 07/28/2011 12:02 AM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	Quote: Sheila Buckley Thor is 11.5 and has not greyed. Do you think it's because he's all white? Jerk! :P lol. I've had dogs begin to grey as early as 4, personally. Hell. I'm only 27, and I've got grey.
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Jamie Craig wrote 07/28/2011 12:18 AM Re: Grey muzzle = bad nutrition? [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #339905 - 07/28/2011 12:18 AM
Jamie Craig Webboard User Reg: 09-01-2009 Posts: 986 Loc: Munroe Falls, OH Offline	My parent's PWD is 7 years old with no grey and ate the same crap food (pedigree) my childhood terrier ate...she grayed out completely at about 1.5 years (though I distinctly remember someone mentioning that was due to us clipping rather than stripping her...) I'm curious what Ryuk's going to look like with a frosty muzzle...but I hope it doesn't show up for a white.... https://www.etsy.com/shop/Blitzava
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Sarah Mandler wrote 07/28/2011 07:25 AM Re: Grey muzzle = bad nutrition? [Re: Jamie Craig ] #339913 - 07/28/2011 07:25 AM
Sarah Mandler Webboard User Reg: 02-26-2007 Posts: 148 Loc: South Dakota Offline	My male GSD has been raw fed since weaning, minimally vaccinated, and he already had quite a bit of grey when I got him as a 2 year old: Dutch 2 years Now, at 5 years old, his whole bottom jaw is grey: Dutch 5 years I still think he's handsome though http://www.dragondreamsleather.com
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Greg Meyer wrote 07/28/2011 07:07 PM Re: Grey muzzle = bad nutrition? [Re: Lori Hall ] #339986 - 07/28/2011 07:07 PM
Greg Meyer Webboard User Reg: 12-24-2009 Posts: 482 Loc: Dayton, OH Offline	Boy, this was an interesting thread. Our 2 1/2 year old is already showing gray and we were wondering what was causing that. You'd swear she was much older. Below are some pics: http://s634.photobucket.com/albums/uu65/cheesehead38/Pets/?action=view&current=DSC_2098.jpg http://s634.photobucket.com/albums/uu65/cheesehead38/Pets/?action=view&current=DSC_2100.jpg We've had her on a diet of kibble all her life so far, Taste of the Wild, Evo, and Innova. Hopefully this is just her and not anything we did or didn't do. Good to read that this might just be her genetic makeup. Bailey
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Kadi_Thingvall wrote 07/29/2011 09:16 AM Re: Grey muzzle = bad nutrition? [Re: Greg Meyer ] #340031 - 07/29/2011 09:16 AM
Kadi_Thingvall Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2008 Posts: 213 Loc: Offline	I'll believe genetics over diet any day. I have dogs that didn't start to grey until they were in the double digits, but neither did their parents. I have other dogs that have started to grey at 3 and 4 years old, and guess what, so did their parents :-) It could be argued that is because I owned the parents also, so the diet was the same, but I would counter that with the fact that I do change foods for different dogs, and over the years, and I've seen the same thing in their offspring I didn't raise, who were in completely different environments, with different diets. I've also see the same patterns in how they grey, Mac's feet turned grey long before I saw any grey on his muzzle. And his daughter Kita is doing the same now, I'm seeing hints of grey in her feet, but her muzzle is still clear. I'm sure diet could play a factor, just like stress, overall health, etc but to say it's only diet related IMO is incorrect. Kadi Thingvall http://www.dantero.com
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