Re: Intact rottie
[Re: Julie Sloan ]
#343213 - 09/01/2011 05:37 PM |
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You are creating your own problems. If you give him something to eat, you give it to him & let him be. His behavior has NOTHING to do with being intact or not. You gave him a bone took it away & then he thought you were going to take it again. Not a surprize he reacted negatively.
Why do people think that being able to take something away from their dog equates to good leadership???? It doesn't. Just becasue I CAN take things away from my dogs doesn't meant that I do.
Do you see wolf pack leaders take food away from the lower pack members? No they eat their fill & walk away letting the lower members help them selves & eat in PEACE.
If you continue to do this kind of thing...you are really going to get bitten & he may not warn you with a growel next time.
I'm not even going to get into why you should not have smacked him in the face/head,'cause that just makes ME mad!!!But you are going to push the dog too far & then he is going to be the one to pay the price for your poor judgement.
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Re: Intact rottie
[Re: Anne Jones ]
#343219 - 09/01/2011 06:34 PM |
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And I deserve that Anne. I don't think this has to do with his intactness, it just happened during this discussion.
I have always been able to pick up anything he has, and he didn't even seem particularly interested in this bone, so I didn't think. And that is the problem, I didn't think ,and then I reacted, with poor judgement.
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Re: Intact rottie
[Re: Anne Jones ]
#343220 - 09/01/2011 06:40 PM |
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If you do give such a high value treat and decide to take it away, remove the dog from the item...not the other way around.
In my house, my Cairn Terrier (even at age 14) is the one who will take your arm off if you take away a goodie. A simple "Hey, Daisy...you want to go outside?" gets her up and moving away from the treat. Put her outside and then I collect the treat. She is always willing to make a trade as well, but I never just reach down and take her high value item.
This could also be a good place to incorporate a good "leave it" command. With my GSDs, a simple "leave it" and a re-direct/trade works great.
I also like to start up some obedience, which all of my dogs love. Just grab a handful of treats and engage the dog, while the high value goodie lays where it was. Dog is focused on me, not the treat. Then the dog is released to return to chewing or whatever. I never touched the item, dog knew it would remain in place, no worries and no aggression. And most of the time the dog remains sitting, staring at me. I am more engaging than that chewy!
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Re: Intact rottie
[Re: Tanith Wheeler ]
#343221 - 09/01/2011 06:41 PM |
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With a fear based problem I would never recommend neutering, removing that added testosterone could make the issues worse and remove the dogs ability to cope with stress.
Agree completely
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Re: Intact rottie
[Re: Melissa Hoyer ]
#343244 - 09/01/2011 08:30 PM |
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I hadn't intended to take it away, but he didn't know that. Just did not expect that kind of reaction from him. he has no food issues, I hand fed a lot as he grew up. I routinely have picked up things and given them back until he thought it was no big deal. I just did the wrong thing today.
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Re: Intact rottie
[Re: Julie Sloan ]
#343257 - 09/01/2011 10:14 PM |
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I am looking at maybe doing fun tracking, maybe therapy. I don't care about competing in anything. The breeder has suggested rally as a fun sport to do together. I know quite a few of her people through the computer who have really great rotts who do all kinds of things, and many of them are shown and so they are intact. Maybe I need to do some talking to these people. But I also want to ask here where people work their dogs and many have intact dogs.
Are you asking what activity and if it matters if the dog is intact or not? I have a mix of altered and intact, although all are pets, the activity is based on what they seem to enjoy and altered/intact is a separate personal choice. I do believe I have asked that spay or not question to the board at least once, maybe twice. It is helpful to read input to make the best possible decision you can for the dog, at least for me.
More than likely you can participate in just about any of the activities regardless, with neutered you just might not be able to title. Given the group's willingness, you should still be able to train an altered dog to whatever it is that you and the dog do. Since the dog being altered or intact doesn't matter then I would go check out the places that hold the activities of interest, rally, agility, etc. and see what you think first hand.
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Re: Intact rottie
[Re: Julie Sloan ]
#343261 - 09/01/2011 10:24 PM |
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I hadn't intended to take it away, but he didn't know that. Just did not expect that kind of reaction from him. he has no food issues, I hand fed a lot as he grew up. I routinely have picked up things and given them back until he thought it was no big deal. I just did the wrong thing today.
But you had taken it away several times earlier in the day, with the same item. Seems to me, he was afraid you were going to take it AGAIN, and he didn't like that idea. I don't take food/high value items away from my dog. I could, if I needed to, but I don't need to.
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Re: Intact rottie
[Re: Kelly Byrd ]
#343267 - 09/02/2011 06:28 AM |
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If you wait until a dog is fully mature, urine marking, all bulked up, 2-3 yrs old, beginning "challenging behavior", or perhaps beginning to roam I'm not sure castration helps as much as folks hope.
OTOH I did know a coonhound castrated at 8yrs by our local rescue (against my advise) who changed from an "unwalkable" driven urine marking machine to a lazy lovable lump post castration. He got a great home and I had to "eat my hat", it really changed his drive level.
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Re: Intact rottie
[Re: Betty Landercasp ]
#343268 - 09/02/2011 06:56 AM |
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if you allow a dog to resource guard something, what then when you do need to take something, maybe you are leaving and don't want to leave the dog unattended, or something like that? And i am not trying to be argumentative, just wondering in all seriousness. This is a bone, and not his dinner, so it is not going to be gone in a few minutes.
I could always take anything I needed to away from any dog I had, including my last rottie, which is not at all the same dog in anything, but this is a whole new idea for me to be backed off by a dog in this kind of situation. I am learing something new here. I cannot ever hit the dog again. I have just felt terrible since then, and I should.
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Re: Intact rottie
[Re: Julie Sloan ]
#343269 - 09/02/2011 06:57 AM |
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I guess my first question was not asked in a clear way, because I do not think him being intact is going to affect our choice of activities. What I really wanted to know is if other more experienced people know something I don't, judging from Ed's comment in the dog aggression article. he has way more expereince than I do, so I took pause when I read it.
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