Kelly, the way to make a small fortune in horses... is to start with a large fortune. they are turning them loose in the national forest in southern il.

John, they are in WI as well, that's how I got Bullet.

Still doesn't answer my question.

Gee John....if good breeders wern't breeding & some even GIVING DOGS AWAY, then I guess that you wouldn't have YOUR mal puppy, would you?!

It it not the responsible breeders that are the problem...it's the breeders that breed & then try to find a market for their dogs. Most reputable breeders have people wanting their pups before the bitchs are even bred let alone pups born. And many well bred pups are sold (deposits taken) before they are born. It's the intact poorly contained backyard dogs that get loose or feral dogs, pet store pups(that support puppy mills)etc etc that are the reason for so many shelter dogs.

It is rare for any horses to be unintentionally bred, as there are not that many stallions around & most people that keep stallions have them well contained, if for no other reason then to prevent injury to them, trying to get at a mare in season. If you want to push blame on anyone for too many horses...then I suggest that you look to the racing industry, as something like 12 million foals are produced each year to support that industry. Only a handfull of them even make it to the track & many breakdown before their first race & a very very small amout ever earn 10% of what it cost to pruduce & train them. Where do you think that these 'rejects' go? Think slaughterhouse...& you would be correct.

Another is the premarin foals that are produced each year in order to support the drug company marketing PREMARIN, the hormonal drug for estrogen replacement for menapausal woman. There are tons of these poor horses that go to slaughter each year to keep that industry going. Anyone considering taking this drug should consider the amount of foals that they contribute to slaughter for using that drug. Not getting on a soap box..just stating facts.

I'm also with Kelly...also curious....how much do you think that we all should have in the bank before we should be 'allowed' to own our dogs, cats & horses?

Do you meet the requirement that you feel we should adhear to? If I recall correctly, you have several dogs & a cat & horses too, don't you.

I will also say that I can tell ya that my dogs, especially my female, would live in a cardboard box in the woods with me & I with them, before I'd give them up because I didn't have a fortune in the coffers.

That is NOT the reason that there are so many dogs,cats & horses in rescue situations today. Look to the ecconomic conditions that are forcing people to HAVE to give up their beloved family pets, because they lost their jobs & home & have to move to an appartment & can't find a place to live that will allow pets. Many landlords today will not allow pets, if they do they usually charge a extra deposit & extra $$$ each month to have one there.

Many of my friends are struggling to keep their horses that they have had for years...due to the ecconomic conditions. It is VERY costly to keep horses in my area. People are looking for backyard places to keep their horses so they don' t have to sell them. People are moving them out of state to try to keep them. Many are forced to try to sell them. Times are hard.

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Another is the premarin foals that are produced each year in order to support the drug company marketing PREMARIN, the hormonal drug for estrogen replacement for menapausal woman. There are tons of these poor horses that go to slaughter each year to keep that industry going. Anyone considering taking this drug should consider the amount of foals that they contribute to slaughter for using that drug. Not getting on a soap box..just stating facts.

Wow, I did not know this. Ugh!

Yep, most people don't...it is not something that the drug companies want people to know. The mares are kept pregnant constantly to pruduce the urine with the hormones needed to make this drug. After they foal they are rebred, as the mare only produces this hormone during pregnancy. They just stand in a straight stall their whole lives so that the urine can be collected. When they no longer 'produce', I am sure that they head to the horsekiller's truck. What a life, huh?

Again...not on a soapbox...just facts. Most people in the horse world are aware of this....many that arn't involved with horses, have no idea about this.

The really sad thing is that a drug almost identical to Premarin can be made synthetically but the industry still prefers to use the pregnant mare urine.

They usually use draft mares as they are bigger and produce more urine.

The name Premarin is from PREgnant MARe urINe.

AND Back On Topic.... I still haven't seen an answer to my question...

I didn't know this.

Legitimate question here, is some of the anti toxin for snake bites made using horses?

ETA: Sorry, ignore my question and lets get back on topic

You right Anne i wouldn't have the pup the breeder is trying to promote his dog asked me to tak her he may or may not breed his dog again. he owns a great business and doesn't need to breed dogs to make money. as fat as horses one of my my Arabians was shown in Scottsdale. when the owners were done with him he was auctioned off I bought very cheap. the economy here is terrible. horses at auctions are selling for under $100.seeing horses under fed. terrible.. Anne you know what it cost to properly care for animal's..... it isn't cheap... when my kids were home i couldn't afford horses . my point being there just to many unwanted animals out. Do i have yo many animal's?.... yes But whay am i to do the shelter's are full. i don't want them put to sleep would you? So i spend the money. the last stray was $286.00 this is the last one. we can't save them all. as far as requirement's about requirements i'm sure your smart enough to know if you can afford your animals

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as far as requirement's about requirements i'm sure your smart enough to know if you can afford your animals

Not according to Ben...

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I know I'm going to get a ration of poop from a few people. If you can't afford something as simple as a spay, how does one expect to take care of a dog properly? I'm sorry, I just get frustrated with people that can barely afford to provide for their kids, then they go out and get a dog that ends up with medical problems because they can't afford to take care of them properly, and the poor dog ends up being put down. It's horrible to see a dog suffer from lack of medical attention. And if you can't afford a spay, then how do you expect to pay for shots and everything else? God forbid the dog gets hurt...

All because I suggested an low cost spay/neuter program.

Again I ask, how much must one have in the bank to be allowed to have a dog, cat or horse? Is the amount of love you can give an animal based on your savings account balance?

kelly, i don't think it all about money. but horses and dogs take up a lot of it you know.. the price of hay is going up every year. in my city people have lost job's do to factory closing's. I like my animal's but if i can't properly take care of them. i will have to let them go. there are great breeders out there. but some in my area list 2 and 3 different breeds in back yards..,. i'm just aggravated`with all the dumped dogs and cat's.bottom line is they are animals and they depend on us even if they are dumped sorry for the soap box just saw another cat in the barn.