Yes, I do sporto. Yes, I do protection. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I don't know that you select in different ways for different areas of work. If you don't really need aggression for your chosen discipline then that might affect your choice. But, you get the best possible prospect and take the dog in the direction you want to go. At puppy age you wanna see stability and utlimate outgoing personality with drive and energy. I don't necessarily think that just because the dog scores only 1s it will be telling of his mature temperament. (lack of sharpness or ability to guard)

And even a very stable dog's suspician levels can be raised with careful training.

Just my opinion. . .

That would certainly seem to be the best case scenario. And, being such, that an aim of the breeding is to create uniformity I can't imagine there being huge chasms of difference between them.

However, when a breeder has deposits for each puppy, and each person has different ends in mind, the selection process must begin somewhere, even if it means resorting to finer degrees of discrimination...right?

So we have a few sport-minded folks...and a few PP minded folks all entitled to a puppy from one relativly uniform litter. And let's also say *I'm* not within an entire time-zone. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Thus...?

Wow, didn't mean to piss in anyones cheerios...

I just seem to find the idea that someone who has never had a dog is going to take the elusive 1's pup from 8 weeks to a functioning PP dog without some MAJOR help, and I mean more than a bunch of us jokers on a BB.

Like it or not,(judging from the priveledge comment) a breeder has the duty to place the pups in the right home so they don't end up either A) coming back B)getting euthanized or C) hurting somebody.... :rolleyes:

I'm sorry. That was a tongue-in-cheek remark because I was uncomfortable and embarassed (still am). The smiley face was supposed to imply that. ::tapping the emoticons to make sure they work:: I deleted it upon further consideration, but I guess you caught it first.

So...mmm...I guess I'll just...hmm. Yeah.

Oh, don't take it so hard... I haven't had my coffee yet....

I think your question is a good one, I am not a big puppy person myself. When I get my next little monster I am letting the breeder pick the dog. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Really I would like to see Todd and Ed reply to this, just because I know they both do the selection test mentioned and pick which pups go to which homes.

p.s. I was reffering to the yellow stuff in VanCamps cheerios <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Yea, yea I know. . .I'm grumpy. I deserve to be a little grumpy. I just worked all night so I can leave town this morning for more work. I have two kids (under 4), a wife, 6 GSDs, 3 other little doglets, a brother getting married and contesting our fathers will, a business that I'm trying to make attractive enough to sell to a large corporation, AND I'm a little tired of everyone going off about what a person should or shouldn't know or do when getting a working dog in a thread about puppy selection.

Lets stay on the -F-ing topic folks. Open another thread to talk about jerks that get dogs that shouldn't, I'm tired of reading those ones. . .

Blah, blah, blah, blah. . .
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I better get some new Cheerios before I continue to post, huh??

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Nah. . .you guys are tough enough on this board, you can take it, right?

OK, so what is the best puppy results for a FNG trainer? I don't know, I think you get stuck with the bottom of the barrel, not necessarilly a pup selected specifically for you. That would be my bet with a lot of breeders. Still may get a good pup, but not the best one.

Those would go to the more experienced trainers usually for a group of reasons.

You want the best dog possible, but not the most dominate or "pushy" because they are usually the ones to give you grief.

Ok, so the FNG is gonna get the softy default pup. Makes sense, considering he probably won't be able to tap the full potential of the dog anyway no matter what he does. Thank you, Robert.

Now, the matter still stands between the not-neccesarily-new trainers who're split down the middle between PP and Sport, and are entitled to pups of one litter. Where does one start, based on such a test, in segegrating the puppies for different (but equal in priority) undertakings? Excellence in which tests would or would not be crucial for each respective endeavor?

One pup scored a 1 here, but a 2 there and there. The other pup scored a 3 here, but 1s there and there. For the conessuer, it's supposed to make a difference somehwere down the road. I'm not looking for novel or anything, maybe just an example of where a given test is very important for one thing, but not so important for another, because we certainly can't count on all puppies glowing with perfect scores of 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1,....

Does anyone make sense of this incoherence?

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Originally posted by VanCamp:
AND I'm a little tired of everyone going off about what a person should or shouldn't know or do when getting a working dog in a thread about puppy selection.I better get some new Cheerios before I continue to post, huh??

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Nah. . .you guys are tough enough on this board, you can take it, right?

well, ask for opinions based on assumptions, get opinions based on assumptions. Want to know the scoring for a dog for someone for PP vs one for SchH, then ask that question, don't throw a bunch of assumptions in.

btw, better check your Cheerios again, I put a "Baby Ruth" looking thing right in the middle of them <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />