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.... I'll dig up that Mary Straus page.
QUOTE: Aspirin is the "original" NSAID, and can be used for mild pain, though it often causes gastric ulceration and bleeding (in one study, aspirin caused bleeding in the stomach and intestines of 100% of the dogs). For this reason, the buffered kind, such as Ascriptin, is preferable. Giving with food may prevent stomach upset, but not bleeding and ulceration. There is also a chewable form of buffered aspirin for dogs, called Vetrin. Aspirin dosage is 5-15 mg/lb, no more often than every 8 to 12 hours. Note that aspirin accelerates destruction of cartilage, and so is not a good choice for long-term use. It is also a potent blood thinner. Never combine aspirin with other NSAIDs or Prednisone. Enteric coated aspirin is not recommended for dogs, as the coating may not break down. See Giving Your Dog Aspirin for more info. Note that White Willow Bark is the herbal equivalent of aspirin, and may be less likely to cause gastric upset, though all the same warnings still apply. Liquid tinctures, such as Herbspirin, seem to work better than pills. Never give aspirin to cats. Aspirin is COX-1 inhibiting. Never switch from Aspirin to another NSAID without waiting at least a week to ten days in between. END from Mary Straus's site, http://www.dogaware.com/health/chronicpain.html
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BTW, I think that's a typo about the small study with 100% of the dogs experiencing at least some bleeding .... I think that was ibuprofen. I'll see if I can find that. It was some time ago.
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BTW, I think that's a typo about the small study with 100% of the dogs experiencing at least some bleeding .... I think that was ibuprofen. I'll see if I can find that. It was some time ago.
QUOTE: Aspirin is reasonably likely to cause gastric ulcers, which can be life threatening if ignored but which respond to withdrawal of the medication. Acetaminophen doesn't seem to cause ulcers but there are uncommon reactions to it in which liver failure occurs and this may not respond to therapy, so death is a possibility. Ibuprofen is very likely to cause ulcers, with 100% of dogs developing ulcers with the use of ibuprofen in at least one study. On the other hand, lots of my clients come in and tell me "I gave my dog an ibuprofen last night" and I have only had to treat one or two cases of ulcers and I can't recall a dog dying from this medication, yet. .... My personal preference for pain and fever in dogs is aspirin but we do warn our clients to discontinue the medication if the dog stops eating and to call us or come in for a recheck if that happens. END QUOTE from http://www.vetinfo.com/dnsaid.html#b
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Thank you so much for looking all that up for me. Much appreciated.
I've hesitated to even think about a pain med for this dog. In some ways, pain has a protective purpose to limit re-injury. And Cinco already seems to have such high pain tolerance. I'll talk to our vet and see what she says. As it happens, Cinco has an appointment in a week to check on the progress of his mange. So we will have a chance for him to get a thorough going over then.
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Cheri gets the prize.
The vet also thinks it's pano. She was certain enough based on the exam that she didn't even think we needed an x-ray (and sedation). Cinco's on a 1-week course of Metacam and continued enforced rest. Thankfully, the little guy doesn't seem to be in much (or any) discomfort. And the limp seems a bit better. The vet had to squeeze pretty hard on the spot (the middle of his radius) to elicit any reaction at all from him--but when she did, it was pretty obvious that was it. Hopefully it's a mild case and is self-limiting.
I'm glad I read this. I didn't know Pano could show up in a 12 month old, but Radar is 13 1/2 months now and about 4 days ago developed a limp on his rear left leg. My immediate thought was omg he's torn something, but I'm trying to give him some rest. It ranges in severity from holding the foot of the ground and setting it down gingerly with an exaggerated limp to walking normally with only a slight limp. There's some heat, but mostly in the muscle area on the thigh and not anywhere near the joints.
I'll continue giving him rest and if it hasn't cleared up by next Friday we'll go to the vet.
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