 Re: Diamond recalls Expanded, includes Kirkland & TOW
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#360176 - 05/05/2012 01:42 PM |
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But no one need be overwhelmed by raw either. It ain't rocket science. If you can feed a human child a balanced diet, you can feed a dog. The foods that are species-appropriate are different, but the same basic rules apply. Fresh, minimally processed whole foods, in abundant variety, and not too much.
An hours worth of reading on this site would give any dog owner enough information to know how to feed a raw diet. Any questions after that, I'm happy to provide coaching.
U have to read 
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Re: Diamond recalls Expanded, includes Kirkland & TOW
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But no one need be overwhelmed by raw either. It ain't rocket science. If you can feed a human child a balanced diet, you can feed a dog. The foods that are species-appropriate are different, but the same basic rules apply. Fresh, minimally processed whole foods, in abundant variety, and not too much.
An hours worth of reading on this site would give any dog owner enough information to know how to feed a raw diet. Any questions after that, I'm happy to provide coaching.
U have to read
We have pictures too. 
Look! http://leerburg.com/feedingarawdiet.htm
Now, ask us anything you want about those bowls. 
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Re: Diamond recalls Expanded, includes Kirkland & TOW
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Call me thick, why is salmonella dangerous for dogs in a bag of kibble but not on raw chicken?
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Re: Diamond recalls Expanded, includes Kirkland & TOW
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#360220 - 05/05/2012 09:33 PM |
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Michele, it is because of the digestion time. Kibble takes longer allowing the bacteria to infect the dog. Raw moves through quickly and does not allow the intestines to pick up the bacteria as easily. Connie will chime in with a more scientific explanations I'm sure 
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Re: Diamond recalls Expanded, includes Kirkland & TOW
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#360221 - 05/05/2012 09:33 PM |
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Call me thick, why is salmonella dangerous for dogs in a bag of kibble but not on raw chicken?
Pretty sure that it's because of the huge difference in digestion times. Raw is digested quickly so that the bacteria doesn't have time to sit in the stomach/digestive tract and multiply making the dog sick. Kibble digests at a much slower rate which gives the bacteria time to sit around AND multiply which can lead to a sick dog.
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Re: Diamond recalls Expanded, includes Kirkland & TOW
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#360223 - 05/05/2012 09:48 PM |
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Yep, ditto, Mara.
Someone asked me elsewhere "Why all the craziness over this?" and I said
The craziness is probably partly about the human illnesses from touching kibble, and partly about the potential for canine illnesses from eating it.
The sick people weren't actually eating the kibble -- just touching it (and then probably eating something with that hand). Dogs who are eating it are eating a form of food that lingers in their digestive system more than three times as long as raw (or home-cooked or canned). They are eating a form of food that (IMO) is supposed to be free enough of pathogens to make hanging out in their GI system for that long okay.
Also, the craziness is probably about Diamond's recall history, from aflatoxin to melamine-toxic wheat gluten to thiamine deficiency to salmonella bad enough to sicken people who just touched the food.
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How many folks sometimes use pieces of kibble as marker rewards? I betcha they are dismayed to find out that they'd better be washing their hands thoroughly after every kibble-touching event. 
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Re: Diamond recalls Expanded, includes Kirkland & TOW
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#360227 - 05/05/2012 10:01 PM |
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PS How many folks sometimes use pieces of kibble as marker rewards? I betcha they are dismayed to find out that they'd better be washing their hands thoroughly after every kibble-touching event.
I usually do wash my hands after using kibble for a dog training session. But it's because of the dog slobber/kibble slime that my hands become covered in
But yeah, seriously, people handle it and don't think about it. People keep in in a dog dish and little kids play in it and don;t think about it. We've gotten lulled into a false sense of security when it comes to commercially prepared/purchased food in general - both human and dog.
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Re: Diamond recalls Expanded, includes Kirkland & TOW
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#360228 - 05/05/2012 10:09 PM |
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Pretty sure that it's because of the huge difference in digestion times. Raw is digested quickly so that the bacteria doesn't have time to sit in the stomach/digestive tract and multiply making the dog sick. Kibble digests at a much slower rate which gives the bacteria time to sit around AND multiply which can lead to a sick dog.
Do you have a link to the research article?
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Re: Diamond recalls Expanded, includes Kirkland & TOW
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#360230 - 05/05/2012 10:48 PM |
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Pretty sure that it's because of the huge difference in digestion times. Raw is digested quickly so that the bacteria doesn't have time to sit in the stomach/digestive tract and multiply making the dog sick. Kibble digests at a much slower rate which gives the bacteria time to sit around AND multiply which can lead to a sick dog.
Do you have a link to the research article?
I 'm sure I can link you to more than one article saying that (1) increased transit time gives food-borne pathogens increased opportunity to colonize and cause illness and (2) kibble takes about three times as long as raw (or canned or home-cooked) to get from the dog's mouth to the other end.
Both will be found in many sources.
Without books, it may take me longer to find the conclusion added.
But I'll see what I have saved online tomorrow.
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Re: Diamond recalls Expanded, includes Kirkland & TOW
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#360232 - 05/05/2012 10:51 PM |
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I just had a thought:
By any chance, do you subscribe to Whole Dog Journal? I'm thinking that this info has been explained in WDJ, with scholarly citations. Most of WDJ isn't available online without subscription (it's an advertisement-free publication), but I have all the indexes and could find it and post which issue it's in.
If you don't, it's not a dead end. I just suddenly pictured a Mary Strauss article in WDJ about this, loaded with footnotes. 
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