I had it in the back of my mind that pugs were one of the breeds that had a hard time delivering Dr. Betty but wasn't sure.

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Oops just realized these are puggle pups? I'm non-judgmental about that just for the record. If the father is a beagle that would then explain the big pups then.

Maybe puggles is just an endearing term. I believe these are purebred pugs.
Dr. Betty gave a very good explanation of what can cause large puppies, and the difficulty that pugs can have in delivery.

From the way she talked about her dogs, I thought it was a pug litter but then (backwards) I read the title and though not. Still not sure....sureness pending.

Every Puggle breeder I know uses a Beagle for the Dam and the Pug for the Sire for this reason. Pugs regularly need a C-Sceton for delivery. As stated above I am also not sure if these are Pugs or Puggles. So C-Section and Puggles to hot topics! I have no problem with cross breeds and hold them to the same standard as people breeding purebred dogs. My person option on breeding is to keep it as natural as possible if I would have to AI or a C-Section I would not want to do the breeding. For some breeds this would be very difficult since C-Sections have become the norm. I am glad things are looking up and hope it is smooth sailing from here on out

My Pug and a Puggle are in my signature pic.

ohh gee sorry for the confusion , they are pugs, pure not a mix .... my daughter calles them puggel wuggles so it just kinda got shortened lol ... they are pure pugs and fawns with no offcolors back 6 generations I have the dam and sire so shes not being studded out (yet) so I am familiar with the full familly background, as far as they told me ofc. Both of my dogs came from reaputable breeders gigner ( in the pic) is 5.7 kilos np and has a good hip and pelvic line. I had her echoed and x-rayed before we ever bread her to make sure her pelvis was proper for delivery ( Ive had problems with the hips not expanding for delivery). I realise its not a foolproof method but it tells you where the bone sutures are and if the pelivs is capable of expansion nessesary, some simply do not have those sutures and therefor will NOT expand... happens in most " toy" breeds. Rocky, my sire is also my pug and i only breed him to her, when my lil pug ( their daughter from a prev litter) goes into cycle she goes to my cousins house, i will have no accidents (if i can at all help it) Rocky is 8.7 k slightly bigger, he jsut seems to be more husky. IS it then possible that HE is reponsible for these large puppies? They are from 2 different breeders 2 different parets of the country ( samll country here) Just to make sure theres no family ties, plus I have all their family trees.

If I am remembering correctly, pugs are supposed to be a lot in a small space, compact. That in its self would make birthing harder. The dad being huskier may have caused some of the bigger pups...whatever genes dominate I guess.

I take it she is doing fine now? And that pup?

I didn't realize toy breed often had fused hip bones, maybe that would explain some of the issues I hear with birthing them.

Please don't take offense, but I would have a hard time breeding a breed that had such difficulties in whelping.... I love pugs, I think of all the breeds they have a sense of humor that just shines through, but.....to go into a whelping situation knowing that the cards are stacked against you? I'm too nervous for that.

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Please don't take offense, but I would have a hard time breeding a breed that had such difficulties in whelping.... I love pugs, I think of all the breeds they have a sense of humor that just shines through, but.....to go into a whelping situation knowing that the cards are stacked against you? I'm too nervous for that.

Pugs are notorious for having whelping problems.

http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-11640.html

It's good to know in advance if the mother comes from a line of free-whelpers.

Or as Betty said:

"I have learned the hard way to be ruthless about selection of my moms. On top of everything else that I require they have to be one that can breed naturally, have a relatively easy whelping experience and be a good mom."