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[Re: Deb Collier ]
#364785 - 08/03/2012 09:40 AM |
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I wish people would get off the petting wagon. Why the need to pet a strange dog? Without asking its extremely rude and even asking is imposing...nobody is entitled but the owner.
I never let people pet my dog...I might show them a trick if I like them though. But no way, no petting....unless during a stand stay, on his back only.
That poor girl.
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Re: Are Police Dogs really this unpredictable?
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#364804 - 08/03/2012 05:36 PM |
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IMO, "The truth," "reporting" "full disclosure," "the number of x a FIVE year old was told," won't change a thing.
The fact = a dog severely injuring a child.
The fact= You don't have to believe what anyone says or come to the truth, but the dog shouldn't have been put in that position, and the handler disregarded guidelines that were in place to prevent just such an incident.
The tragedy is that, not only did a dog severely injure a child, but that the dog will be (is being in the media) villefied because of the handler's lack of good judgment.
Duane, I don't disagree.
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Re: Are Police Dogs really this unpredictable?
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#364820 - 08/03/2012 07:59 PM |
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I'm with you Tammy...
A bit of a soapbox issue with me. I respect K9s and good police handlers a great deal, but am very intolerant of the bad ones. I know of at least five canine deaths in the past two years that were the direct result of their handlers actions and not in the line of duty, two right here in New Orleans (one was left in a hot car that had no ventilation system!).
This is not even taking into account how many innocent people that have been injured.
A beach party is no place for a police dog.
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Re: Are Police Dogs really this unpredictable?
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#364831 - 08/03/2012 09:02 PM |
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A beach party is no place for a police dog.
Yes it is. 
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Re: Are Police Dogs really this unpredictable?
[Re: Deb Collier ]
#364878 - 08/04/2012 09:30 PM |
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The new Schuzhund rules allow the judge to ask AND MUST BE ALLOWED to pet a dog. This should be the foundation of both Schutzhund and Police dogs alike.
It has nothing to do with wanting your dog to be petted, but more about the temperment. The dog should be stable enough to allow anyone to pet the dog/bitch. I'm not saying that everyone should be able to pet your dog without being asked, but if asked the dog should tolerate the intrusion.
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Re: Are Police Dogs really this unpredictable?
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#364887 - 08/04/2012 11:22 PM |
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That would eliminate a number of otherwise exceptional dogs.
There are K9s that can be 100% social and still get the job done on the street.
It's the handle's job to keep the others under control.
By the time the dog is on the street I would like to believe that nothing about it is "unpredictable" even if that includes out and out aggression.
LEO K9 handlers here could give a much better answer.
Same with Schutzhund. Some fantastic dogs would/will be eliminated.
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Re: Are Police Dogs really this unpredictable?
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#364888 - 08/05/2012 12:04 AM |
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If you have a highly trained K9, you have to treat that dog as if you are on duty at all times. Would the officer have let a kid play around the K9 if they were on patrol? Not likely. As we have read David Winners post about Fama, he was 100% responsible for his dog 100% of the time.
As a dog owner, I watch my dogs and remove them from any potentially hazardous situation, just like I did my son as a small child. I see it as an equal responsibility between dog owner and parent. The highly trained K9 just increased the potential danger.
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Re: Are Police Dogs really this unpredictable?
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#364890 - 08/05/2012 06:09 AM |
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This should be the foundation of ... Police dogs ...
Why??? What about a police dog's job would require that it be sociable? Why would it ever need to be petted or touched by a stranger?
Military and police units don't usually have the time or money to train dogs to be well-rounded citizens. They train them for the job and put them to work.
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Re: Are Police Dogs really this unpredictable?
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#364894 - 08/05/2012 11:11 AM |
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The new Schuzhund rules allow the judge to ask AND MUST BE ALLOWED to pet a dog. This should be the foundation of both Schutzhund and Police dogs alike.
I totally disagree. PSD do not need to be "pettable". I do agree they should always be under control. That is the responsibility of the handler. I teach and prefer, that our PSD's not be subjected to petting by the general public. They aren't a toy. I don't let them hold my pistol, or my impact weapon, or my pepper spray, I'm not going to let them fondle my dog either. Control on the other hand, is the responsibility of the handler. That includes not putting the dog in a lose-lose situation, unless it's to protect life, when deploying the dog. I have respect for Schutzhund and other dog sports, but what I do for a living is not sport. My goal is not to score points by pleasing a judge. What I teach must be practical application.
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Re: Are Police Dogs really this unpredictable?
[Re: Deb Collier ]
#364904 - 08/05/2012 03:54 PM |
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Ditto!
Approachable YES in close proximity without being reactive. But touching? Really? Unless the touching is an obedience exercise like stand for exam or for the vet....why? My dog is stable but he is reserved and aloof. I can take him in public pass close by people even if we brush past them...but I never let them pet him. I see no purpose in that. If the dog is approachable, it is ok.
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