 Re: First malinois- confused about what to do
[Re: Ariel Vuichard ]
#372642 - 01/26/2013 03:28 PM |
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Ariel....I am on my way out for the evening.....but since you have experience (TR is a great school--lucky you to have been able to go there) lots of exercised to desen.tart outside her trigger area & move in over time.
Maybe Bob Scott will see this. He lives in the SL area & belongs to a SChH club. I believe there are a few in the area. Ring clubs(franch ring, mondio) too, I would expect. Having to dive a couple of hours or a bit more 1 way to a club is not unusual to get to a good club. I believe he has titles both his GSDs in SchH & has tons of experience in akc showing. Clubs are a great way to aclimate dogs to lots of folks close up & about.
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Re: First malinois- confused about what to do
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#372643 - 01/26/2013 04:02 PM |
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If you had any intention of showing in AKC, your dog would have to be taught to accept hands on contact from strangers like the one that stumbled into you at the show.But I really wouldnt put much faith in the word of someone who claims experience with the breed then shoves their fingers into her mouth like that,judge or not.
Did she mention the prong at an AKC event? Maybe she'll think of that once she sobers up.
A friend who has Mals uses a pretty slick technique to avoid having them be wary of strangers. It involves telling them to go say hi. One of hers went from not wanting me any where near him to wanting to play tug with me. I wish I could tell you the exact steps, but I don't remember. Hopefully she'll see this and she can tell you.
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Re: First malinois- confused about what to do
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#372644 - 01/26/2013 04:22 PM |
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ohh yes she mentioned the prong! didn't like it. Apparently prongs arn't even allowed on the premises when an AKC show is going on, which i wasn't aware of. i just knew you couldn't have it on in the ring.
Steve, that sounds like an idea i might be interested in. If anyone here happens to know the steps to teach that, I'm all ears!
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Re: First malinois- confused about what to do
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#372646 - 01/26/2013 05:10 PM |
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If you had any intention of showing in AKC, your dog would have to be taught to accept hands on contact from strangers like the one that stumbled into you at the show.
I have to disagree with this. No reputable AKC judge would go over a dog the way Ariel describes. If she/he did, they should be reported and disciplined. What Ariel describes sounds more like assault and battery to me.
For the CD, the judge will approach your dog and touch it briefly on the head, withers and top of the hips. If you get to utility, the exam is a little more encompassing and the judge will go over the dog a little more like a conformation judge, but will not look in the mouth.
In conformation, yes, they will feel the bone structure and look in the mouth to make sure dentition is appropriate, but they will not be roughing up or batting the dog around, as this person did to Ariel's dog.
Maybe you didn't mean this the way I interpreted it, Steve. 
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Re: First malinois- confused about what to do
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#372647 - 01/26/2013 05:16 PM |
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I didnt mean the exact way she did it Cheri, just that there would be a wide variety of strangers putting their hands on her. I do think a lot of them take it a little far with the teeth though.
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Re: First malinois- confused about what to do
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#372651 - 01/26/2013 05:29 PM |
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I want to get into schutzhund training with her (still looking for clubs or some other way to learn- so far im not impressed with the clubs i've been to).
i appreciate all this helpful advice. but i just went over everything again and i think i need to clarify what i said here .There are a few clubs i've only been to once or twice- because they are farther out of the way and conflict with my schedule. So i can't really say im 'not impressed' with those clubs. I haven't given them much of a chance. So i hope nobody took offense to this
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Re: First malinois- confused about what to do
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#372652 - 01/26/2013 05:45 PM |
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I didnt mean the exact way she did it Cheri, just that there would be a wide variety of strangers putting their hands on her. I do think a lot of them take it a little far with the teeth though.
Gotcha, Steve. 
Just for the benefit of people reading this forum who are not familiar with AKC showing, though, I just want to point out that you are not required to allow anyone except the judge to touch your dog.
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Re: First malinois- confused about what to do
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#372662 - 01/26/2013 11:42 PM |
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Actually non entered dogs are not alowed at an AKC show. The "judge" should have been aware of that.
If I had the choice of the TR school 25 miles away or the ME school halfway across the US, I'd pick ME.
TR touches on marker training very lightly while strong on the e-collar, even with puppies. Some have no problem with that.
ME school is all about motivational, markers and, JMO a better use of corrections.
NOt a trash on TR but myself along with the club I belonged to competed in AKC against students from there and the attitude of the dogs didn't impress me, aside from the fact that the club I was with took most of the places in the classes we entered.
Some excellent trainers have come out of the TR school. I believe that is more about the individual's ability to understand what's being taught and know the how and why it's applied. That goes for any school.
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Re: First malinois- confused about what to do
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#372664 - 01/27/2013 04:23 AM |
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Ariel, the judge, whatever her intentions, was completely out of line.
And, while non-entered dogs are not allowed, at least technically, the rule is not strictly enforced. People often bring dogs that they're trying to accustom to the show atmosphere. Perhaps that's what the Judge thought you were there for. But, she had no right to touch your dog much less take the leash unless you asked her to do so. But, you must have a nice Mal since she was so interested in him.
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Re: First malinois- confused about what to do
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#372669 - 01/27/2013 11:33 AM |
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Not sure why people are saying AKC events don't allow non-participating dogs. Every single AKC event I've gone to was held outdoors and the local club(s) that hosted sold vendor spots, had demos and you could talk to trainers in the area, had TDI and CGC testing booths set up. If that's not encouraging non-participating dogs to join in (well behaved and on a 6 foot leash or shorter) then I don't know what it is.
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