If a dog is being "stubborn"...there's something the human isn't getting about the dog. The reason a dog would "resist" something in training is; its bored, doesn't understand, physically uncomfortable, afraid, not motivated, doesn't respect you as a leader in that moment...etc.

Any dog is capable of at least finishing a CD if the owner is determined. Livestock guardians are more challenging than most but I'm sure given enough time and effort you could slog through a title with the most reluctant competition dog. I train with someone who has a lovely flashy little beagle who's a dynamo in the ring. He's 8 now so he's just about done but I wish they'd trained him for utility.

I think there are very few dogs who can turn on the flash like a terrier in obedience. If you've done it right and they've got the typical terrier magnetism (For lack of a better word) they're spectacular to watch. The best obedience terrier I've ever seen was a Border Terrier who has something really special. The OTCh Scottie was pretty special and no one could deny Mr. Murphy had pizazz.

Honestly if you haul yourself out to the new 'Performance Events Extravaganza' (Formerly the National Obedience invitational)you can see just about any breed performing at a top level. It's the functionally the top 3 dogs in their breed in the country. There are secondary qualifiers and if there are enough technically qualified dogs in a breed they'll pull a percentage of the total rather than 3 period but basically you're looking at the best and/or most campaigned obedience dogs in the country in every* breed.

*or at least those who bother to show up despite paying entry fees.

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Any dog is capable of at least finishing a CD if the owner is determined. Livestock guardians are more challenging than most but I'm sure given enough time and effort you could slog through a title with the most reluctant competition dog. I train with someone who has a lovely flashy little beagle who's a dynamo in the ring. He's 8 now so he's just about done but I wish they'd trained him for utility.

I think there are very few dogs who can turn on the flash like a terrier in obedience. If you've done it right and they've got the typical terrier magnetism (For lack of a better word) they're spectacular to watch. The best obedience terrier I've ever seen was a Border Terrier who has something really special. The OTCh Scottie was pretty special and no one could deny Mr. Murphy had pizazz.

Honestly if you haul yourself out to the new 'Performance Events Extravaganza' (Formerly the National Obedience invitational)you can see just about any breed performing at a top level. It's the functionally the top 3 dogs in their breed in the country. There are secondary qualifiers and if there are enough technically qualified dogs in a breed they'll pull a percentage of the total rather than 3 period but basically you're looking at the best and/or most campaigned obedience dogs in the country in every* breed.

*or at least those who bother to show up despite paying entry fees.

Do you think the prevalence of ANY breed having the capability of getting a CD is due to marker training?

I'm wondering if I could have trained my bull terrier with marker training.
Maybe!

If you can train a hermit crab with markers (this has been done!), you can train a bull terrier

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I'm wondering if I could have trained my bull terrier with marker training.
Maybe!

"If" is the longest word in the English language. It covers sooo very much.

I've often looked back on numerous dogs I've had over the years and thought the same thing. They all obeyed but I had a few wars with a couple of them. One big mutt in particular. That SOB never said uncle and he ripped more then a few of my Levis objecting to my methods.

In my personal experience there are a few types of dogs that are not easy to train even using clicker method.

My boy Kari, is so difficult to train. Yes I can keep him hungry and make him work for his survival, but where is the joy in that?

It is so much joyful to train a dog that want's to get trained.

Kari belongs to an ancient native hunting breed. He has a lot of self preservation instincts and will not do any thing that he is not comfortable with (will not try new things). I have been struggling with him for the retrieve for the past 1 year. Now he will pick up a pencil off the ground.

Yes, there are breeds that are very difficult to train. Especially the ancient dogs that have always had to fight for their survival and lived in semi wild conditions.

Something that Bob Scott has said: Find the individual dog's currency.

This is not to say I know how to do that every time, though.

 Quote: Connie Sutherland

Something that Bob Scott has said: Find the individual dog's currency.

This is not to say I know how to do that every time, though.

There are a few dogs out there that have little food drive.
My suggestion would be to try as many different foods (cheese, hot dogs, etc) that you can find and hope one of them is a high value for the dog. Ram, these are hunting dogs, correct? Have you tried working them with a flirt pole to bring up their prey drive? If that works the you could use a game of tug once the dog is excited for the cloth, leather, whatever you tie on the flirt pole.
One of many examples.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXhLh4RitHM

Thanks Bob, I will make one of those this weekend....as a tentative for now not having cow hide can I use a towel at the end? I guess it would work.