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[Re: Milanka Ratkovich ]
#379209 - 06/11/2013 10:34 AM |
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Oh and he could start by teaching her to come to him for a tug first then add the toy toss. Call the dog, light tugs on the leash present the tug, then play tug when she gets there and then let her win...she should catch on to that real fast.
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Re: Troubles at fetching and playing
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#379211 - 06/11/2013 10:57 AM |
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She has a fine recall, not 100% at the park but i can say she comes 85% of the time (first thing i trained both of my dogs...and sit). At my house its a 100% even with my mom holding some hot dogs  .
I´ll try the line....just hope she doesnt take it as a correction, shes very soft
Thanks all for the ideas and ill put them in practice.
And just to let everyone know she´s NOT into toys, when i got her she just look at the toys and stare at my with her fearful eyes, so we´ve gone a long way to her actually going for the toy.
And Connie, she drop the things in my hand, but when i go to the next step of putting the toy a bit further away from me its when the problem shows, she knows the parts i just can do her put them togheter, and again if i lure her with food she ignores the toys, lol. Thats why i wan to do it without the food
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Re: Troubles at fetching and playing
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#379214 - 06/11/2013 11:13 AM |
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"And Connie, she drop the things in my hand, but when i go to the next step of putting the toy a bit further away from me its when the problem shows .... "
Then you added distance too fast. Stay close. Move one foot away. If that's too far, move back in six inches.
Keep the dog inside your "circle of influence."
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Re: Troubles at fetching and playing
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#379215 - 06/11/2013 11:15 AM |
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"She has a fine recall, not 100% at the park but i can say she comes 85% of the time ... "
At 85%, the dog should not be called unless you have the power to reel her in.
Every time she is allowed to choose, you reinforce that the recall is optional.
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Re: Troubles at fetching and playing
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#379241 - 06/11/2013 05:08 PM |
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I once had a very very soft dog....so just use a buckle collar and a very very light finger tip strength tap-tap-tap on the lead and make sure your voice in encouraging her to come to you...don't say no or anything negative more like here-here-here or something then.
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Re: Troubles at fetching and playing
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#380646 - 07/17/2013 07:05 PM |
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soooo a long response but ive been in bed for ten days D:, So for all of you with your wonderful tips and trick to let everyone know that sookie today went for the ball 5 times in a row AAAAAND!!! drop the dam thing 3 times in my feet and the last 2 on my hand!!!! HORAAAAAY. I managed to do that with just throwing the ball and if she droped the ball away from me just stared at the ball pointed at it and say fetch it! until she actually go for it and bring it close then a lot o fpraise and try it again, when she got it and bring the ball all the way back to my feet i praised like a crazy lady give her a bunch of treats and stop right there!!!!! so yea we finally got the dam thing right! ha!!!! tomorrow i going to risk for 7 throws :P thanks all!!!!
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Re: Troubles at fetching and playing
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#380661 - 07/17/2013 11:38 PM |
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Read my post on your "Is this normal for Pitbulls".
Throw that ball AWAAAAAY!  
With the tug and marker training you don't have to let the tug go in order to teach the out. She can't drop it because you have hold of it. Teach the out first before you throw "anything".
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Re: Troubles at fetching and playing
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#380666 - 07/18/2013 10:36 AM |
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Read my post on your "Is this normal for Pitbulls".
Throw that ball AWAAAAAY!
With the tug and marker training you don't have to let the tug go in order to teach the out. She can't drop it because you have hold of it. Teach the out first before you throw "anything".
I am 100% with Bob on this. 
As mentioned in page 1 here:
To backchain a simple fetch (meaning no "finish" position at the end .... just give me the toy), in this situation where it's already tainted, I might start with the release into my hand. (If I ever planned on a formal retrieve, this is not it.)
So in the house, watching TV, etc., and outside, even with me in a lawn chair, removing for now all connection with the tainted "chase me" thing, no throwing involved, no running, dog already exercised but still ready to learn something , I'd be teaching the release into my hand. I doubt that I would throw the item again for the dog until I did this. A new day!
I'd reward for the release into my hand. I'd name it when I liked it. I'd proof it for venue. I'd proof it for gradually-increasing distraction.
Only then would I toss the item, and it would start indoors, close up. I'd use my new command then.
I'd gradually move farther away and then gradually move outdoors.
As Ian said, I could use a long line too, but for me, I would still begin with a solid release into my hand.
And as pointed out by Bob here:
http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=33453#380658
And also see http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=33453&page=2#380592
Backchaining (last link in a chain of actions taught first) is IME pretty much foolproof.
This methodical teaching of the out first will result in 5 out of 5 releases into your hand rather than 2 out of 5.
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Re: Troubles at fetching and playing
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#380675 - 07/18/2013 12:31 PM |
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Re: Troubles at fetching and playing
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#380683 - 07/18/2013 03:44 PM |
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hmm i have different problems with diferent dogs, my problem here is that sookie did not go all the way back for the ball or if she did she rarely droped the thing near me for throw it again, i do not want to train a formal retrieve with the ball, that only for excersise.
Im in other sessions training her the dumbell retrieve but for that i have a lot of other training steps (were currently on grip and hold).
With my pitbull the problem is tht she went in crocodile mode while tugging and she somethimes not re engage i i let her win the toy, pealse do not confuse the two dogs.
and just to be clear on this:
Sookie GSD mix that had the problems fetching (solved)
Havanna Pitbull that im working with her tugging-crocodile-not re enganging problem
Thanks all for the responses and sorry if im not very clear, im not form United States.
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