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[Re: Anders Yuran ]
#382945 - 09/13/2013 11:51 AM |
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As a matter of clarification, I want to be clear that I'm not a feeding expert and was not offering advice from that perspective. I was addressing the notion that is perceived from the wives tales as having merit but not being clear in the reasoning. My example of feeding my dog cooked bones was not a suggestion; it was to reiterate that chicken bones can be fed safely.
I would not and have never fed cooked bones as a nutritional component of a regular diet, and would never feed them to a dog that was not accustomed to them. Many of our past family dogs, especially those on farms, received table scraps which included cooked bones, with no adverse effects. I didn't see any harm in using them as an infrequent high-value treat for my garbage disposal of a canine companion, and apologize if my intent was taken that way.
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Re: Chicken quarter and backs
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#382946 - 09/13/2013 11:58 AM |
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The chicken necks are about half. He also get pork neck bones when he get pork neck meat. Bones he consume in minutes. He also get some supplements like bone flower, salmon oil and others. I think we have full control and he is extremely healthy, also our vet say.
We try to read everything we find about BARF so I am not concerned
And from tonight he will also get chicken backs and quarters.
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Re: Chicken quarter and backs
[Re: Anders Yuran ]
#382947 - 09/13/2013 12:22 PM |
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I getcha, Duane. 
Anders, posts that might indicate a calcium-deficient diet are always responded to here almost instantly, because we have seen so many wildly imbalanced homemade raw (or cooked) diets. When it's for a growing dog, such a diet is a nutritional tragedy, even leading to bones fractured during normal play and permanent skeletal damage.
It's a relief that we are not seeing that here. 
About the chicken RMBs ..... for someone who is concerned about beginning with them, you can't really go wrong with chicken backs. You may peel them at first if the dog isn't used to the fatty skin (if you have been peeling the necks, for example).
Backs look all sharp and pointy, but they are formed of some of the chicken's most cartilage-y and easily digested bones. They are probably the best beginner bone, IMO, for that reason.
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Re: Chicken quarter and backs
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#382951 - 09/13/2013 04:16 PM |
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I have been feeding a homemade raw diet for 10 years ....raising 3 of my 4 GSDs from 7 & 8 week old pups on it....I have NEVER EVER fed anything but raw bones. I would NEVER run the risk of feeding cooked bones on any kind.
Diets for pups need to be PERFECT. There is NOT the wiggle room in feeding pups that there is adult dogs. If not done correctly the pup can suffer life long deformities among other health problems.
I feed chicken leg Qtrs, chicken backs & necks, pork necks (go easy on the pork necks, as they can be constipating) duck necks, turkey necks as the primary RMBs.
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Re: Chicken quarter and backs
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#383419 - 09/26/2013 04:17 AM |
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We have always fed our lab puppy Barf and after my question here also with chicken quarters and backs. However we run a small dog boarding and daycare and none of the guest dogs is BARF fed. The owners have different opinions and many warn for the dangers with chicken bones.
It would be interesting to hear your views about how big the danger is. Leerburg should know after all these litters
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Re: Chicken quarter and backs
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#383420 - 09/26/2013 06:02 AM |
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Feed your dog what you believe is best and let others do the same. Few issues are as polarizing as dog food.
In the 10 years I've been feeding raw to my pack, I've fed several tons of chicken parts.
I'd never try to convince somebody else to feed raw. I'll provide information if they ask. But I also don't pay any attention to other people's misinformed opinions.
If pressed, ask a doubter to explain what dogs ate before kibble was invented.
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Re: Chicken quarter and backs
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#383421 - 09/26/2013 06:14 AM |
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I am convinced and never discuss with the owners. They provide what food they want and reading on the table of content I many times get tempted but no.
But of course I also understand that accidents can happen, I am only interested in how common it is that dogs get hurt by raw bones, especially from chicken
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Re: Chicken quarter and backs
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#383424 - 09/26/2013 09:01 AM |
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I'm a bit confused since it seems like Anders is saying that they are feeding a BARF diet but is talking about RMBs. Isn't a BARF diet typically ground meat, bone, organs, maybe veggies? Aren't RMBs part of a Prey diet vs BARF diet, at least in that the bones are consumed intact in the Prey diet vs being ground?
I know the concern about not feeding RMBs vs recreational bones is a matter of calcium deficiency in a Prey diet since not consuming enough bone could be an issue.
I'm curious if the pork that Anders is feeding now is being served in a Prey style or BARF (ground) style? Or maybe my understanding of BARF is off?
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Re: Chicken quarter and backs
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#383425 - 09/26/2013 09:19 AM |
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Perhaps I am confused. We feed the dog more RMB. He get meaty bones, pure meat, liver, chicken parts, vegetables and some additives. Nothing grounded
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Edited by Anders Yuran (09/26/2013 09:19 AM)
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Re: Chicken quarter and backs
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#383427 - 09/26/2013 11:08 AM |
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I'm a bit confused since it seems like Anders is saying that they are feeding a BARF diet but is talking about RMBs. Isn't a BARF diet typically ground meat, bone, organs, maybe veggies? Aren't RMBs part of a Prey diet vs BARF diet, at least in that the bones are consumed intact in the Prey diet vs being ground?
Some people (and one website I know) define BARF as usually ground and usually involving a veggie-mash of some sort. In fact, the terms are used in many different ways, including "BARF adds produce and Prey Model does not."
After a few decades of seeing and hearing these terms used in many different ways, I no longer consider them meaningful without a pre-agreement as to definitions. 
For one thing, Prey Model that includes zero produce (or green tripe) is not actually true to prey as eaten by canids, because wild canids do indeed eat produce when they consume small prey in its entirety, when they eat some of the "green tripe" of large prey, and when they eat fallen ripe berries and tender ferns that grow beside water.
Many people when they say BARF mean only "bones and raw food" or "biologically available (or "appropriate") raw food."
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