 Re: life with a ppd GSD
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#388949 - 02/13/2014 09:32 PM |
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If I had no family, friends of the family coming over, no deliveries by strangers, and could devote myself to the dog, as if it was a job, that would be different. But in a normal, or semi-normal life, a dog that is going to bite is a problem.
We have had some tough dogs over the years. For each of them it has been a relief when they got old enough to be less reactive.
These weren't PPD, just territorial, reactive, tough dogs in a farm setting. Even these dogs are hard to blend easily with the normal demands of a working-family person.
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Re: life with a ppd GSD
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#388958 - 02/13/2014 11:25 PM |
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Be very careful what you wish for. You may be taking on far more then you think you are with a 'real' dog, to live with in the every day world. It can be a real PITA to live with that kind of dog day in & day out.
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Re: life with a ppd GSD
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#388959 - 02/14/2014 09:36 AM |
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What David W said above.
A PP dog can be many things to many people. Anything from a threat dog to a full blown man eater.
To many PPD trainers out there are just "beat em till they bite" trainers. Finding someone that truly understands how to properly train a dog for this is about as hard to find as it is finding a good natural protection dog.
Many also skip over reliable obedience. That's should be first and for most with any dog much less a dog either trained of has the willingness and desire to bite a human.
The common sense rules to own this type of dog are just as critical as CCW ownership.
Be sure you fully understand the liabilities of both. I've seen people with one, the other or both that have no business with either.
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#388963 - 02/14/2014 12:02 AM |
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considering that you already have lethal force for a possibly unfortunate situation , why complicate your life ?
That is a good point. One option is to just have an alert GSD watch and listening when I can't to warn me so I can make a decision.
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#388964 - 02/14/2014 12:06 AM |
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Be very careful what you wish for. You may be taking on far more then you think you are with a 'real' dog, to live with in the every day world. It can be a real PITA to live with that kind of dog day in & day out.
At this point I wouldn't say I am wishing... 
I am trying to get informed. It seems that a PPD isn't quite for me. I am looking at DDR dogs but not the high end or dogs that are stellar for bite work. Just good all around dogs that aren't American lines lol.I think Czech might be pushing it for family life with farm, hiking, camping and so forth. But I digress.
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#388965 - 02/14/2014 12:10 AM |
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... not being around them I don't know how much a liability or "hair trigger" or what not a PPD is.
You don't want your PPD to have a hair trigger. He will learn some very specific cues as to when he needs to react, and he must be solid as a rock up to that point. I don't mean to seem disingenuous, but hopefully you will study and get to the point where you understand what is required before you get a PPD. Many people think they want or need one and have no clue how to live with a high-drive or working dog, much less one that is hard enough to do real protection work.
As mentioned, if you are not familiar with bitework, it is a MUST that you work with a good trainer.
I agree. I want to fully understand so I can fully make the decision and not make a mistake. The trick I am having is finding a dog that fits our life and meet some requirements. I don't need a high drive dog nor do I want one. I also don't want an American line dog.
I really in love DDR dogs (Black and Black Sable).
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Re: life with a ppd GSD
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#388966 - 02/14/2014 01:07 AM |
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So many great points and I thank everyone.
"The answers to your questions will depend greatly on how the dog is trained. Do you just want an aggressive display? Bite only on command? Bite only on command and on defense of dog / handler? Bark and hold on threat display? Bite on threat display? Bite in protection of any and all family members?
The more you allow the dog to make decisions, the more you have to watch the dog."
Great points. Honestly I think an aggressive display is all I would expect at this point. I want to make the decisions at this point. Maybe even a bark and hold. I don't think, for me anyway, I would ever need or want a dog that bites in reaction; only Bite on command (but like I said I don't think I need that).
Thanks everyone and I am reading those links now.
EDIT: I think I really need a working line (DDR) pet quality dog to suit my needs. I am reading Ed's article on http://leerburg.com/pickpup.htm and it is helping alot. I don't want show anything lol.
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#388969 - 02/14/2014 02:35 AM |
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Re: life with a ppd GSD
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#388971 - 02/14/2014 04:17 AM |
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I think you should be looking for a breeder you trust. Meet their dogs. Explain, realistically, your plans for the dog and a good breeder will steer you in the right direction, even if it is away from their kennels.
I wouldn't get too hung up on Czech, DDR, WGWL...
If all you want is an active companion that will alert bark for you, any of those lines could provide the right dog. If you have a looks preference, then take that route. If you look hard, there are good breeders to be found in any line of GSDs.
I suggest getting out to some clubs and seeing what it is you like in a dog. Talk to the owners and see what the dogs are like at home and inquire about where they got their dogs, what their pedigree is like etc.
All JMO. Good luck in your search.
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Re: life with a ppd GSD
[Re: Daniel.P.Hughes ]
#388973 - 02/14/2014 09:39 AM |
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I agree. I want to fully understand so I can fully make the decision and not make a mistake. The trick I am having is finding a dog that fits our life and meet some requirements. I don't need a high drive dog nor do I want one. I also don't want an American line dog.
I really in love DDR dogs (Black and Black Sable).
FWIW, all of the lines you've mentioned (European working lines) will be high-drive. You will have to learn to train in drive, even if the goal is a companion dog. As mentioned, spend a lot of time letting prospective breeders getting to know you. They will select for you one of the litter that is not as hard or sharp as one of their top prospects.
*Footnote to Bob's post. I'm starting to see more and more protection trainers using positive methods. They are out there. However, for the purposes of the OP, it doesn't sound like Daniel is going to be doing protection training.
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