 Re: Rewarding w/ Tug
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#390278 - 04/17/2014 05:02 PM |
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Clicker training IS marker training, but not all marker training is clicker training. I, and many others here, use verbal markers. IMHO, I can communicate better with my dog with a full marker vocabulary than I can with a clicker. Speaking only for myself.
The dog will retain it forever, AS LONG AS ITS REINFORCED. All training should be ongoing for life. I wish you could teach a dog something once and have it be reliable indefinitely, but that's just not the way it works. I have a well-trained 5 yo GSD, and we review even the most basic stuff frequently. I find that rewarding the dog for tasks that she knows well feeds into her enthusiasm for training in general.
Thanks Duane, I guess what I was getting at was which way I should purchase and watch these videos.
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#390279 - 04/17/2014 05:38 PM |
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Re: Rewarding w/ Tug
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#391643 - 06/14/2014 09:57 AM |
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These videos are great!! I've been working with food about 3 months. Made big progress. I want to use tug also, I've done short basic reward training with tug and worked great. My problem is my dog gets so wound up so quick that he makes intentional bites..not hard but yet bites my arm or lower leg. He knows the target and I present clear. I'm not sure how to discipline him other than verbally. Often this has no affect.he is very driven 6 month old. Should I forget using tug as a reward because of this? Can it produce bad behavior in the future? Thanx
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#391649 - 06/14/2014 01:06 PM |
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Robert;
IMO, JMO, what you need most is more foundation work with self-control. If you're sure that he knows targeting well, then do some exercises that will improve his ability to control himself when his drive starts to amp. If you suspect he's losing control, or if he does nip you, break from the game and have him do some ob, rewarding with the tug when he's focused. Make sure your presentation is good when you release him, as there will be some capping effect.
I wouldn't correct him for being eager. Dogs have to learn to focus when they're in drive and learn the rules of the game. If you teach him well, tug will be a very valuable reward. There won't be any bad behavior if you teach him what behavior you expect.
This is all just my opinion of what you described, in response to your query. I'm not trying to tell you that you're doing anything right or wrong.
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#391652 - 06/14/2014 03:49 PM |
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Thank you Duane for your pointers. I was lousy in explaining myself earlier so let me elaborate. During the tugg, which I keep brief maybe 30 sec. He outs good, I tell him " down" and wow he drops quicker than for raw steak!!! I say YES..and he's up at the tug pulling like no tomorrow. He's very engaged with me..when I put it up and divert him with a treat and maybe a calmer entertainment. Where the problem lyes is afterwards.. All day afterwards!! He grabs our arm or leg in his mouth, dosnt clamp down but applys pressure. He does the SAME thing after working with him with big treat steak bits..He seems to be very high level dominant. I can't afford to not correct him this long after working.I'm not sure no more what to work on to change this. I've given him stuff to chew on that's acceptable while moveing my arm away and giving it to him. That don't work?????
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#391657 - 06/14/2014 10:34 PM |
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Right after playing, maybe walk him around a little, don't just abruptly end it and take away the tug. Let him carry it a while. Take it calmly and walk him some more. Give him a little more time to switch gears.
All day? At his age and size? Correct him. No teeth on me. Don't try to bribe him with anything. Be very clear, no biting me.
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#391659 - 06/14/2014 10:56 PM |
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My early comment about "all but eliminating corrections" was before your post about all the biting and grabbing.
I'm with Steve on the "No teeth on me". As playful as it can seem at times its a huge disrespect to you.
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#391662 - 06/15/2014 11:19 AM |
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With your elaboration, I'd have to agree with Steve. I'd highlight the fact that there needs to be a clear end with a signal from you. Some brisk ob after the end of the game is in order.
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#391663 - 06/15/2014 11:54 AM |
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No "brisk" ob. Calm, let him settle down. Don't keep him amped up to start biting you.
Hey Robert, I didn't see your first post till now. It sounds like your doing a pretty good job of frustrating him, maybe a whole lot of really physical tugging? Tone it down a little to teach him the rules and some self control. If he gets you instead of the toy, make sure the game very clearly ends in his mind, and if that doesn't work, correct him. No teeth on you, or your clothes either.
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Yeah Eliot actually ends things pretty good for both of us being beginners...but I find this same behaviour when I use raw meat treats..not very often. Its not so much at ending the game but later throughout the day..he gets real mouthly and out of nowhere will grab my leg or arm. He hasn't bitten down hard but the action is enough.he keeps his prong collar on all day so I can give a quick sharp correction at the moment he does it, but its like of no consequence to him. The day after and until the next meat or tug..he's back to normal and the biting don't occure? As much as he loves tug and meat I hate to take it out of his training
...so where do I go with this? Yes he is 63 lbs at 7 mths now.he could become quite a good sized guy...
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